Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
[Re: Dan D]
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I guess I don't understand. Some think that the virus is fake and the numbers are really inflated for deaths from the virus. If a person has underlying medical conditions and catches the coro-virus and dies and the cause of death is the virus, it is all fake. However, less just say a person who has stage 4 lung cancer, is killed in an auto accident, due they put down that the person died of the auto-accident or underlying condition of lung cancer. To me it makes no difference: Dead is dead, and someone is losing, a family member or friend, and it is going to hurt.
I can remember when the MMR vaccine was supposed to cause autism, and it was put thru a heck of a lot more studies than these for the coro-virs, and some parents refused to get there kids the vaccine, and the kids ended up with German measles, and then hospitilized for brain damage due to the high fever temp.
Some people like myself, has never had any childhood diseases, as the same for my mother, so it just goes to show that people are different, but that would not proclude me from having, my kids (if I had any) from being vaccinated, and would protect my family at any cost.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
[Re: Dan D]
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No, I was not not vaccinated for MMR, the only thing I can remember is the sugar cube with the red dot for polio, which was required to attend school. I guess what I'm saying is some people just have a natural immunity from some diseases, but it doesn't mean it follows generation to generation. I didn't get vaccinated for anything other than the polio vaccine until I went into the military.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
[Re: Dan D]
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Yes, it did, and I can recall the number of people that had the braces on their legs, and I'm grateful for the vaccine.
Bruce T: To each their own, but I don't see any of the reasoning to put down someone else who decides to get a shot for any disease, to either protect themselves or someone else. You know when they started regulated health care in hospitals a few months ago, it really upset me, a 70 yr old who followed all the protections, but got the virus because someone didn't wash their hands properly, or didn't were a mask, gets sent to the cube, just because their 70 and their rate of survival is low, vs some young person who refuses to protect themselves, gets an ICU bed, just because they have a better chance of living, is wrong. To me that is like giving a liver transplant to an person, then they go back to drinking.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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[quote=wetdog]What happened to the Flu? Did convid 19 kill the Flu virus Inquiring minds want to know[/quote
Don't think its not out there ,I do believe it is spread by sick people who dont stay home . What I would like to know is how many Dem politicians got covid compared to Republicans
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
[Re: Dan D]
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When they can call a death, a CV19 death without testing and get paid to claim it. The numbers may not be 100%
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
[Re: Dan D]
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You could die from covid without even having covid by not being able to get elective life saving surgery,or be able to get on a ventilator due to the massive flooding of the hospital resources by those with covid. Your death would be a direct result of covid.They dont count those covid deaths as such because the person did not actually have covid when they died.So the real numbers of deaths due to covid is much higher than reported,even without counting the deaths from suicide and depression brought along by the covid pandemic.Add those and the deaths due to covid are massively undereported.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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Boco, do you think that laying off all the surgery nurses, at the start of the flatten the curve maybe had something to do with the numbers of deaths. The hospitals were empty. They sent a medical ship to NY to take Rona patients, and none ever showed up. Not one was on the ship. But NY has one of the higher death rates in the US. Bill Gates wants to control the world population. It was developed and spread on purpose.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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Last time I took a flu shot it about killed me. That was back in the 90's. I have a yearly ordeal with pneumonia about this time every year. I get over it, or have so far.
As far as this so called vaccine, no way I will take it. Everything I have read, listened to, and seen, tells me if I get the virus Ivamec will cure it. that is the route I am taking. A good friend of mine had it and took the Ivamec and was over it within 24hrs. He is my age and in better shape probably.
I work with the public everyday, don't wear a mask, unless asked to, and have had no problems. I just got a pneumonia shot yesterday...hasn't the doctor offered you one?
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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Boco, do you think that laying off all the surgery nurses, at the start of the flatten the curve maybe had something to do with the numbers of deaths. The hospitals were empty. They sent a medical ship to NY to take Rona patients, and none ever showed up. Not one was on the ship. But NY has one of the higher death rates in the US. Bill Gates wants to control the world population. It was developed and spread on purpose.
Mission of USS Comfort from Navy Times: /www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2020/04/30/hospital-ship-comfort-departs-nyc-having-treated-fewer-than-200-patien 200 people who were treated, and gave some added relief to hospital staff, or that public hospitals didn't have room for
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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You could die from covid without even having covid by not being able to get elective life saving surgery,or be able to get on a ventilator due to the massive flooding of the hospital resources by those with covid. Your death would be a direct result of covid.They dont count those covid deaths as such because the person did not actually have covid when they died.So the real numbers of deaths due to covid is much higher than reported,even without counting the deaths from suicide and depression brought along by the covid pandemic.Add those and the deaths due to covid are massively undereported. Elective life saving surgery? What are you on? That’s one of the most ignorant things I’ve heard lately.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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I don't know how they can get away with calling this product a vaccine. The definition of a vaccine: "A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease protecting that person from the disease."
The covid "vaccines" don't do that. You can still get the virus with the shots, have to wear a mask, can still be contagious, and have to social distance. The only thing the shot can do for you is if you get the virus, your chances of survival are better, so they say. That is unless you happen to catch the new strain that out there. Then they're not sure just how effective the shot will be. Too many "what ifs" for me. No one knows what the long term effect will be with these shots either. Normally, more research is done before certain drugs ever hit the market.
Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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Cancer patients have had to wait for surgeries that have resulted in spread. You are ignorant. Not only that many other procedures put on hold due to covid, like MRI and other diagnostics have resulted in the same outcomes.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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Cancer patients have had to wait for surgeries that have resulted in spread. You are ignorant. Not only that many other procedures put on hold due to covid, like MRI and other diagnostics have resulted in the same outcomes. Do you know the definition of elective surgery? You are a troll that should go away.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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You could die from covid without even having covid by not being able to get elective life saving surgery,or be able to get on a ventilator due to the massive flooding of the hospital resources by those with covid. Your death would be a direct result of covid.They dont count those covid deaths as such because the person did not actually have covid when they died.So the real numbers of deaths due to covid is much higher than reported,even without counting the deaths from suicide and depression brought along by the covid pandemic.Add those and the deaths due to covid are massively undereported. Just like some stating that covid deaths are over reported, this is pure speculation.
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Re: Those that say No to the vaccine.
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I don't know how they can get away with calling this product a vaccine. The definition of a vaccine: "A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease protecting that person from the disease."
The covid "vaccines" don't do that. You can still get the virus with the shots, have to wear a mask, can still be contagious, and have to social distance. The only thing the shot can do for you is if you get the virus, your chances of survival are better, so they say. That is unless you happen to catch the new strain that out there. Then they're not sure just how effective the shot will be. Too many "what ifs" for me. No one knows what the long term effect will be with these shots either. Normally, more research is done before certain drugs ever hit the market. ^^^^^^^^^ This
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