Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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Technically, Biden's right: the Bill of Rights generally isn't absolute. This is true of the First Amendment--you can't shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre.
And it's just as true of the Second. You don't have the right to all the weapons of our modern military without regulation.
As for the fantasy that a bunch of keyboard warriors will really take up arms, I won't be joining in.
Jim Good God, I hope your law degree was free. This is some serious apples to oranges horse---- and you know it. Because someone yelled 'Fire' in a crowded theater once we didn't ban open speech in public... We didn't set laws limiting how many words a minute someone is allowed to say... We didn't make it a crime to speak above a whisper. We don't require people to pass a background check before they can make a speech, or enter a theater. We jail/hold accountable those who "abuse" their freedom of speech. And anyone who has ever heard the word "law" should be knowledgeable about how the US v Miller decision was reached... And how it's the sorriest joke of a decision ever. But hey, the SCOTUS is never wrong, right? Dred Scott was a benchmark of legal expertise on human rights too. Or the decision on the constitutionality of internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2. Biden doesn't have the wherewithal to be trusted to shovel manure from one spot to another but somehow he knows which amendments are absolute and which ones aren't... Guess slavery and women's suffrage are up for discussion as well. Mike That's going to leave a mark. Ouch!
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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I didn't realize attorneys were the only ones certified to read things written in plain English. In fact, based on all the legal documents I've ever read... They aren't.
Mike No such thing as "plain English" in Law. It's always subjective and how it is comprehensively understood by the reader, or Courts.
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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"...the right of the people to KEEP and bear ARMS shall not be infringed." is plain English.
Now if you want to discuss the militia portion, let's do that too.
Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
Vladimir Lenin
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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"...the right of the people to KEEP and bear ARMS shall not be infringed." is plain English.
Now if you want to discuss the militia portion, let's do that too.
Mike Well Mike, your answer is not relevant to my initial question, and see my previous post above.
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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How is not relevant? I'm not an attorney. And I don't have to be to understand what is written in the 2A. It's pretty plain.
Unless we're going to do the slick Willie, "depends on what the definition of 'is' is..." game.
Mike
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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Mike, your expertise is so glaringly obvious that you should go read the Heller decision and tell us what it means.
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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The constitution wasn't written for lawyers. Lawyers like to muddy things up though. This gun control thing started the same way it is being promoted today. Fear.
The National Firearms Act didn't start a war because people were afraid of gangsters. The depression created Bonnie and Clyde, Machine gun Kelly etc. Prohibition created Al Capone, Meyer Lansky etc. Today its gangsters who are the result of prohibition for other recreational drugs.
Fear is used to justify making guns illegal. The NFA didnt stop armed robbery. (the end of the depression slowed it way down and stopped most of the hatred for bankers) Prohibition against Heroin and Cocaine isnt working any better than ethanol prohibition did and it creates the same violent organized gangs.
It was under Reagans presidency that funding was curtailed for mental hospitals. Forty years ago they were small self sufficient community's. Raising ag products, building furniture and other things. Today the mentally ill are left to their own devices. Walking around our cities, homeless and in rags, talking to their voices.
This lack of mental health care is the reason for most of the mass shooting's. People don't choose mental illness. We can reward the irresponsible behavior of promiscuous young people with more welfare but we can't put the mentally ill back in hospitals.
passing more gun laws is easier than working on real solutions
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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The constitution wasn't written for lawyers. Lawyers like to muddy things up though. This gun control thing started the same way it is being promoted today. Fear.
The National Firearms Act didn't start a war because people were afraid of gangsters. The depression created Bonnie and Clyde, Machine gun Kelly etc. Prohibition created Al Capone, Meyer Lansky etc. Today its gangsters who are the result of prohibition for other recreational drugs.
Fear is used to justify making guns illegal. The NFA didnt stop armed robbery. (the end of the depression slowed it way down and stopped most of the hatred for bankers) Prohibition against Heroin and Cocaine isnt working any better than ethanol prohibition did and it creates the same violent organized gangs.
It was under Reagans presidency that funding was curtailed for mental hospitals. Forty years ago they were small self sufficient community's. Raising ag products, building furniture and other things. Today the mentally ill are left to their own devices. Walking around our cities, homeless and in rags, talking to their voices.
This lack of mental health care is the reason for most of the mass shooting's. People don't choose mental illness. We can reward the irresponsible behavior of promiscuous young people with more welfare but we can't put the mentally ill back in hospitals.
passing more gun laws is easier than working on real solutions The Mentality ill are running the country as political heads Or. They become Lawyers
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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We are in a sad state of affairs. The scribes of our day are deciding what is good in their sight. That tends to favor the scribes (lawyers). Our founding father scribes (of America) were disciples of John Locke philosophy called Lockean or none of us would be typing on this here puter the way we are. I have no idea what current day scribes follow. I know who but not what. Does anyone? I wish there were more Lockeans today in the ranks of America's scribes but sadly they have been subdued. Realizing that wishes only come true in Disney stories - like Cinderella - where the prince and princess live "happily ever after." This ain't a Disney land. Jefferson quoted this book in our Constitution; Blessings, Mark
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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I have a question. How many of the "lawyers" on here are BAR CERTIFIED as ATTORNEYS in their State? . . . just asking . . . In plain english: I am on here to promote the general welfare. To be clear, not the specific welfare, but the general welfare. General, meaning anything a lawyer wants it to mean. promote: to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further: to promote world peace.
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Who is John Galt?
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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The founding fathers were as varied in their beliefs as the people on this forum. Not all of the same mind or beliefs. Very true, and YES!
"Humans are the hardest people to get along with." Dr. Phillip Snow
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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Otherwise, what should we do about those who falsely claim the election was stolen?
That allegation has already caused one death, as well as untold damage to our electoral system and form of government.
What about THAT crowded theatre?
Jim
First shouldn't we determine whether the claim is true or false ? All the overwhelming evidence in proof won't surpass the desperate need to "save face" , the need to argue despite the facts.
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute.
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The founding fathers were as varied in their beliefs as the people on this forum. Not all of the same mind or beliefs. This statement would be true of anyone or any group in human history. Is there a take-a-way?
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