Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: ILcooner]
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04/19/21 09:40 PM
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a one author paper in a no name journal?
100% one person's opinion and untested hypothesis
You cant be serious! This person is a cardiologist for the VA in Stanford University with and in conclusion of 67 references to numerous studies conducted. This dr spent countless hours researching studies and drew up a hypothesis and conclusion. Thanks. This was a great read.
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: danny clifton]
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04/19/21 09:58 PM
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I was in Menards in Lawrence Saturday with my son. We built a book case for his daughter. Had a cart full of odds and ends. Went to pay and the cashier says if we dont mask up she wont ring us out. We had already walked around in there for probably an hour. So I said "We have been shopping in here for an hour without masks. No one said a word. But if we put masks on for the 3-4 minutes it will take you to ring us up we can pay"? She said "you should have put masks on when you came in. There is a sign." So I said," no thanks we will leave." Now she is mad. I guess she didnt want to put all the stuff we had in that cart back up. She yells at me. "Just what makes you think you can just walk around without a mask" So I am getting irritated and I answer "I am a free American". Now a woman I think is a supervisor joins in. Remember I wanted to leave. She say's "I don't understand why you wont do something as simple as put a mask on." So I informed her I wasn't a democrat and whether she liked it or not I am not wearing a mask and I am leaving." She was really mad then. I couldn't understand her as we walked out.
Went next door to home depot. Bought everything we needed. Everyone was polite. Same here. walked in without one. Told me I needed one. I said go get me one. Then he's like you can purchase them. Then another guy jumped all over me. NEVER EVER been treated like that before. Thought they were going to call the cops on me with there irate behavior
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: yukon254]
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04/19/21 10:10 PM
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Mark June
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Masks have unfortunately been used as a wedge of dissension more than a barrier of prevention.
Vaccine + mask + 6' spacing + frequent hand washing + + + <<<<<<< Covid is crafty.
Blessings, Mark
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: yukon254]
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04/19/21 10:23 PM
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the vid cured the flu and old age.....3 masks are better than 2.....fauci sux.
E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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04/19/21 10:25 PM
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a one author paper in a no name journal?
100% one person's opinion and untested hypothesis
You cant be serious! ...
Act like a blank, get treated like a blank. Insert your own blank!
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: danny clifton]
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04/20/21 12:20 AM
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I was in Menards in Lawrence Saturday with my son. We built a book case for his daughter. Had a cart full of odds and ends. Went to pay and the cashier says if we dont mask up she wont ring us out. We had already walked around in there for probably an hour. So I said "We have been shopping in here for an hour without masks. No one said a word. But if we put masks on for the 3-4 minutes it will take you to ring us up we can pay"? She said "you should have put masks on when you came in. There is a sign." So I said," no thanks we will leave." Now she is mad. I guess she didnt want to put all the stuff we had in that cart back up. She yells at me. "Just what makes you think you can just walk around without a mask" So I am getting irritated and I answer "I am a free American". Now a woman I think is a supervisor joins in. Remember I wanted to leave. She say's "I don't understand why you wont do something as simple as put a mask on." So I informed her I wasn't a democrat and whether she liked it or not I am not wearing a mask and I am leaving." She was really mad then. I couldn't understand her as we walked out.
Went next door to home depot. Bought everything we needed. Everyone was polite. GOOD FOR YOU !
Till that day.....
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: yukon254]
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04/20/21 06:57 AM
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Apparently, the debate is not over.
Eh...wot?
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: yukon254]
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04/20/21 07:47 AM
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Mark June
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Add masks to the lengthening list of what irks me versus them.. says average Joe and Jill.
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: yukon254]
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04/20/21 08:00 AM
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The new zombie virus vaccine is out now. If you feel a need then by all means get the shot. Even if we had not been lied to about stuff like bodies filling reefer trailers in NYC or death numbers, with the vaccine available why are governments still pushing for masks?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: ILcooner]
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04/20/21 08:55 AM
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a one author paper in a no name journal?
100% one person's opinion and untested hypothesis
You cant be serious! I have just two left that are made out of wonder woman panties. They will protect you from any virus. I'll let you have them for a good price. Leftlane bought one and does not want to take it off and he is still around. For the DIY folks. I made myself one out of chicken wire and since then my glasses don't fog up anymore.
Last edited by Scuba1; 04/20/21 08:57 AM.
Let's go Brandon
"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: danny clifton]
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04/20/21 09:20 AM
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The new zombie virus vaccine is out now. If you feel a need then by all means get the shot. Even if we had not been lied to about stuff like bodies filling reefer trailers in NYC or death numbers, with the vaccine available why are governments still pushing for masks? The mask “protects” others. “It’s a selfish person that won’t help protect others by wearing a mask, surrendering their guns or paying for their healthcare.” lol
-Goofy-
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Re: The mask debate is over.
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04/20/21 09:25 AM
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a one author paper in a no name journal?
100% one person's opinion and untested hypothesis
You cant be serious! I have just two left that are made out of wonder woman panties. They will protect you from any virus. I'll let you have them for a good price. Leftlane bought one and does not want to take it off and he is still around. For the DIY folks. I made myself one out of chicken wire and since then my glasses don't fog up anymore.
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: yukon254]
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04/20/21 09:28 AM
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Leftlane
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It cuts down on the stench of prairie maggots (that means sheep for yall yankees).
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: The mask debate is over.
[Re: yukon254]
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04/20/21 10:38 AM
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About the journal the study was published in, and the author:
True, this is not a conventional journal and that is precisely why it exists. It was founded out of a concern that valid scientific observations that depart from current trends will not make it through the conventional peer review process with a thesis that is radical or breaks an emergent mold. The journal, published by the Elsevier Public Health Emergency Collection, has a prestigious editorial board that utilizes high standards in selecting material for publication, and can provide a home for unorthodox scientific papers. Indeed, given the state of censorship and the vast scientific confusions that have followed in the wake of lockdowns, such journals are needed more than ever.
Tellingly, this paper is written by a single author, which is to say that one person has stuck his neck out to take responsibility for its contents. John Ioannidis has demonstrated that a feature of problematic studies is that they are performed and reported on by large teams of researchers rather than a single author. This makes sense: large teams can distribute responsibility for truth claims. Not so with single author papers. This enhances, but does not prove, the credibility of published research by single authors.
The well-published and cited author Baruch Vainshelboim works in the Cardiology Division, Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System/Stanford University, Palo Alto, CA, United States, and has had an affiliation with Pulmonary Institute, Rabin Medical Center, Beilinson Hospital, Petach Tikva, Israel. He obtained his Ph.D. (Universidade do Porto) in clinical exercise physiology in pulmonary rehabilitation and hence has a strong interest in the relationship between health and masking.
The entire paper is worth reading. It cites most known studies and knowledge in the scientific literature prior to the Spring of 2020, including the WHO: “Facemasks are not required, as no evidence is available on its usefulness to protect non-sick persons.”
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