Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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I have seen some bicycles with electric assist motors on them. I guess it makes exercise a lot less work!
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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[quote=loosegoose] Will you be allowed to work on them unless you're a dealer mechanic? Maybe. Dealers are taking more control over their vehicles, as they own the intellectual rights (module programming and such) to them. Most likely, independence places will still be able to work on them, but you'll have to use a manufacturer specific scan tool. That's how dodges are now. Anything after 2018 has to use a factory scan tool with an internet connection for most functions. The scan tool reports back to dodge codes and such, and dodge keeps track of that to improve vehicles and come up with programming updates. I assume it'll probably be the same for all electric vehicles. In any case, as a mechanic, I can either accept it and learn to work on them and make money, or I can tidy up my tool box and sweep floors while the other guy works on them. It doesn't really matter how I feel about them, they're coming no matter what so all I can do is be ready. You'll be dead before you run out of gas powered cars to work on
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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I know there will still be plenty of gas powered cars around. But I'd.better be able to work on the electrics as well. Agree
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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Battery exchange system will be a nightmare. Unhook your battery in your vehicle today for a second , and now your computer needs rebooting. Can take 100 miles of driving to reset. You're referring to the 12v battery. Yes, unhooking that can be a pain in the butt. But you could in theory exchange the traction battery while the 12v battery stays hooked up, avoiding all those problems.
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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So your saying it takes two batteries. Traction and 12 volt to run electronics ? Sounds like problems. The headlights, radio, etc still run off of 12v.
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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I'm not sure you can exchange a battery shy of at a shop. The tesla battery looks like it sits directly on the frame and takes all of the frame, it weighs 1200 pounds We're not there yet, no. Hybrid batteries are small enough, but not sure electric. But maybe with new technology. That's why it's important that this doesn't get pushed through governmental regulation. Give the market.time, and it'll sort these issues out on its own.
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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Anybody remember bucknebraska? He got pretty upset when I said using nuclear energy to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen would be a good thing. There is some energy loss as it takes more energy to split the molecule than you get from burning the elements, but I suspect the energy loss would be substantially less than the energy loss through power lines. The fuel could be produced on site. If sea water is used salt would be a by product also. Along with other minerals. The exhaust from burning hydrogen is steam. Would be some weather changes I am sure but I don't think they would be catastrophic.
buck said it was to dangerous. i still dont see it that way. Nuclear waste is what AOC and her handlers scream when nuclear is mentioned.
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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I think the way we are headed with the hybrid electric/gas power plants is a good move and we should let the market drive the change. All the energy used by the vehicle is generated by a small internal combustion engine running most of the time at peak efficiency. It charges the battery when it has extra power and the battery powered electric motor kicks in when more power is needed than the engine can generate. They are very fuel efficient and support the development of improved batteries, and have no range limitation. Developing a market by providing a superior product is a whole lot better than trying to legislate a technological leap. That's how the chevy volt operates....it uses the electric motor to drive, the gas engine is only there to charge the batteries. UH you seen any of them lately LOL. Most caught fie and burned the house down with it.
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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I'd think a 1200# battery would cut down on gas mileage considerably......see what I did there....... And cruise night would be eliminated so Nessy couldn't go cruise in his GTO no more.
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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The amount of ignorance and angst that comes gushing forth over a product that you can willingly choose to avoid is quite astounding. I think there are deeper issues at work if you get worked up about something that really isn’t a reality for most people. And won’t be for at least another decade. Half of you won’t be able to drive by then anyway.
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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The amount of ignorance and angst that comes gushing forth over a product that you can willingly choose to avoid is quite astounding. I think there are deeper issues at work if you get worked up about something that really isn’t a reality for most people. And won’t be for at least another decade. Half of you won’t be able to drive by then anyway. Yep, don't worry about Gubmint shutting down coal mines, oil use, pipelines, etc. It isn't a reality...
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Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
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To move you and a vechile from point A to point B you need X amount of energy. Now you can poor the composted dinosaurs right into the tank of the vechile or burn them elsewhere and then get said energy to the vechile. Via transfer meds, wires, chargers and batteries with all the losses that are involved in all those processes, resulting that one needs to burn more dinosaurs to get from point A: to point B: ...its really not rocket surgery. Anyone with an IQ north of an iceberg lettuce can work that out. If anyone thinks that we can in just 14 years more than quadruple the production of energy with renewable sources and build the necessary infrastructure in that time frame as well. .... Wanna buy a bridge ??
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