Charles Sumner wasn't nearly to be beaten to death because of taxes in the Senate chamber.

The discussion at hand is What was the War Between the States fought over......In that context anyone with any amount of reading comprehension would know that is was African American slaves being discussed relative to the war.

To veer off on indentured servants, sex slaves, etc. in modern times only shows you fired up a blunt this morning, now didn't ya Mark?

Interesting fact. Less than 10% of southerners owned 90% of the slaves. And geographically that was focused on the best soils. Most of these large slave owners did not themselves live on the plantations where their slaves were.

Sounds kind of familiar doesn't it?

"Relocating to Liberia

Liberia is a nation that, until 2003, was beset by long-running and fierce civil war. Approximately 250,000 people were killed in the civil war and the country was left devastated economically and replete with weaponry that often fell into the hands of unscrupulous individuals. Knowledge of this conflict is important for expatriates thinking of relocating there. "

"The First Liberian Civil War was an internal conflict in Liberia from 1989 until 1997. The conflict killed about 250,000 people[2] and eventually led to the involvement of the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) and of the United Nations. The peace did not last long, and in 1999 the Second Liberian Civil War broke out. "

I think the liberals would like to see Minneapolis and other American cities become just like Monrovia Liberia.

Liberal-Liberia-there is a connection there.

"Since 1991, the United States has provided safe haven for Liberians who were forced to flee their country as a result of armed conflict and widespread civil strife, in part through the grant of Temporary Protected Status (TPS). The armed conflict ended in 2003, and TPS for affected Liberian nationals ended effective October 1, 2007. President Bush then deferred the enforced departure of those Liberians originally granted TPS. President Obama, in successive memoranda, extended that grant of Deferred Enforced Departure (DED) to March 31, 2018. President Trump then determined that conditions in Liberia did not warrant a further extension of DED, but that the foreign policy interests of the United States warranted affording an orderly transition period for Liberian DED beneficiaries. President Trump later extended that DED transition period through March 30, 2020. "

I'm not really sure what liberia, especially modern day liberia, has to do with the causes of the civil war.

Anyone that thinks the war was fought over slavery is daft and needs to do some reading about the "Corwin amendment" a proposed 13th amendment sent to the governors of all the the states by Lincoln in 1861 that guanteed them the right to keep slaves forever if they would only stop their session from the union. If the war had been about slavery it would have ended right there without a shot fired. The war was about a states right to separate itself from the federal government if they saw fit to mostly due to tariffs on southern exports to the north.

Tangentially why were the states no allowed to voluntarily secede from the union they voluntarily joined? As far as slavery Mark June was correct.

Interesting Fact #3: Northerners too owned slaves and fought a war to prevent slave ownership, makes sense, right?.....Nah, I didn't think so.

The south's position was State Rights, but that primary right was slavery. The North's position was preserving the Union primarily. But the catalyst that lead to civil war was the potential abolishment of slavery, especially with the reelection of President Abraham Lincoln.

As for the bars and stars, for me it is the equivalent as flying the sickle and hammer. Both stand for the destruction of the United States of America.

Lee should have tactically redeployed after day 1 at Gettysburg.

I would happily join any state that leaves the current USA and follows the original constitution. Hopefully a state without a violent/corrupt inner city.

If the second war for freedom was fought over slavery it is ironic that they are pushing for the 3rd war using the same race as the reason.

Appears this was Lincoln's cause. " To send blacks somewhere else". It is ironic, that now the new home is so bad, that many of their ancestors want to move here.

Ask 10 different black Americans if they are glad their ancestors were uprooted from Africa and brought here as slaves so that their descendants would one day have a better life than they would have had back in Africa.

I'm guessing a small % will say they are happy their great great greats were sold into bondage.

If the southern states that seceded were all about states rights, why, then, did the CSA have a clause in it's constitution that all CSA states had to allow slavery? Why wouldn't they allow their states the right to choose whether or not to allow slavery?

States rights to allow slavery.

You're not good at firing shots over bows trapper friend.
As far as reading comprehension, I'd win that easily with a Rush L. hand tied behind my back to make it fair ... and as I tie it back there, you might want to crack a book about what you do not realize which is the fact that slaves of the civil war era were all manner, from domestic servitude, to forced laborers, bonded labor, to child labor, and sex trafficking.

The dialog got into waters you don't paddle and that's ok. I'll teach. Grab a pencil.

As stated earlier, The civil war was not incited or faught to free the slaves.

The general reason hinges on states rights, specifically on federal taxes and tariffs. The south agricultural economy was originally using northern ports to ship or distribute their product. The northern states were steadily increasing taxes on the southern goods passing thru these ports. When the southern agricultural states began developing naval ports on their east coast for their purpose of distributing their good, the federal government responded by creating the same tax levees on these southern ports similar to the northern ports.

This was unacceptable to these southern states and tipped the already unsteady relationship over the top, the south succeeded, and the federal government supported by northern states fought to uphold the union.

This thread will only have merit if/when Savell responds.