Machine vs. Twin Loop Chain
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Is the #2 machine chain that much better than 2/0 twin loop? I'm asking because I'm going to get some Sleepy Creek 1.75's for this next season and wondering if I really need to replace the chain. With whatever chain I use I'll definitely add a swivel at the mid-point.
I know that #2 machine chain is a better chain, kinks less, and is rated about 50 lbs more than the twin loop but will I actually see a difference (especially with coyotes) if I don't change it out?
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Re: Machine vs. Twin Loop Chain
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You probably will not lose many coyote with the 2/0 twin loop chain, but they have been known to bite it in half. I like the added strength, and easier bedding qualities of #3 straight link chain. Here is a pic of my chain setup with a S.C. 1.75.... 9/16 split washer welded shut, J.C. Conner rod swivels, and MB #3 straight link chain.... Works very well for me.
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Re: Machine vs. Twin Loop Chain
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Thanks KY. That washer/chain/swivel looks plenty stout.
What swivel is that?
Between the bedding aspect and your pic I think I'll add some #2 chain to my trap order.
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Re: Machine vs. Twin Loop Chain
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Your welcome We-Sa, That's a J.C. Conner rod swivel (welding required) they lay really flat, and also help with the bedding.
I think you will be really happy with the add on chain, and some good swivels.
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Re: Machine vs. Twin Loop Chain
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Can the rod swivels be made with one of those Bob Custer Trappers Benders?
Hmmm... Either way a TIG machine would sure be nice for those split washers and rod swivels, way better than a junky little MIG.
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Can the rod swivels be made with one of those Bob Custer Trappers Benders?
Hmmm... Either way a TIG machine would sure be nice for those split washers and rod swivels, way better than a junky little MIG. I do it out of a nail and weld in a nut they work great.
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Can the rod swivels be made with one of those Bob Custer Trappers Benders?
Hmmm... Either way a TIG machine would sure be nice for those split washers and rod swivels, way better than a junky little MIG. I do it out of a nail and weld in a nut they work great. A nail and a nut... Another excellent idea.
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Re: Machine vs. Twin Loop Chain
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Lots of good ideas here.
Thanks fellas
Last edited by We-Sa; 05/31/21 07:46 PM. Reason: Added a thank you
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Re: Machine vs. Twin Loop Chain
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I’ve never heard of a coyote chewing through that chain. That chain will serve you just fine in the east and west for coyotes. Which chain are you referring to John? I have heard of coyotes destroying twin loop chain (2/0 twin loop is what the OP was asking about)
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When coyotes first came on the scene here I used twin loop, lost a bunch of traps. #2 welded machine chain works but #3 is better. Nice setup KY, I love those rod swivels. I rig all my land traps with them and add a inline crunch proof 3 links from the rod swivel. Some coyotes attack the chain so why take the chance.
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When coyotes first came on the scene here I used twin loop, lost a bunch of traps. #2 welded machine chain works but #3 is better. Nice setup KY, I love those rod swivels. I rig all my land traps with them and add a inline crunch proof 3 links from the rod swivel. Some coyotes attack the chain so why take the chance. How was the chain failing? Did the twin loop get kinked?
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I’ve never heard of a coyote chewing through that chain. That chain will serve you just fine in the east and west for coyotes. Which chain are you referring to John? I have heard of coyotes destroying twin loop chain (2/0 twin loop is what the OP was asking about) Eh, as I read that again, I guess that was confusing. The #2 machine chain won’t be chewed through. I’ll be honest, when I started trapping coyotes when they came to my part of the world I used victors with what I think was 2/0 twin loop. I can’t recall ever losing any to a broken chain.
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If nothing else machine or twist link chain works way better coming up out of the hole, sort of smooth how it rolls right out and up. And, it doesn't bind and twist and locking up swivels like twin loop does. I never lost animals in twin loop but ive had coyotes crush the loops flat together probably with back teeth. Didn't open up but close enough for me. I go with straight link or twist link welded on all my coyote traps and no twist link stuff. Most of the bridgers came with it stock. I had to add it to my victor and Blake and Lamb longsprings. My montanas came with it too. All of the duke round jaws I own came with twist link and the light gauge standard duke swivels. I've replaced the chain on those and added heavier swivels too. Got the crunch proofs from Minnesota trapline products.
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When coyotes first came on the scene here I used twin loop, lost a bunch of traps. #2 welded machine chain works but #3 is better. Nice setup KY, I love those rod swivels. I rig all my land traps with them and add a inline crunch proof 3 links from the rod swivel. Some coyotes attack the chain so why take the chance. How was the chain failing? Did the twin loop get kinked? It was crushed to the point the loops opened then straightened. I learned a couple lessons then. Use good welded chain and add more swivels. Go heavy duty or stay home...
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Re: Machine vs. Twin Loop Chain
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If nothing else machine or twist link chain works way better coming up out of the hole, sort of smooth how it rolls right out and up. And, it doesn't bind and twist and locking up swivels like twin loop does. I never lost animals in twin loop but ive had coyotes crush the loops flat together probably with back teeth. Didn't open up but close enough for me. I go with straight link or twist link welded on all my coyote traps and no twist link stuff. Most of the bridgers came with it stock. I had to add it to my victor and Blake and Lamb longsprings. My montanas came with it too. All of the duke round jaws I own came with twist link and the light gauge standard duke swivels. I've replaced the chain on those and added heavier swivels too. Got the crunch proofs from Minnesota trapline products. Although I’ve never put the “trap chain” down a hole that makes sense. My biggest concern is exactly what you mentioned, the twin loop getting kinked and defeating the swivels.
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