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Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: Jerry Jr.] #7299132
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Originally Posted by Jerry Jr.
Originally Posted by Pawnee
Danny I’ve asked this before and to my best knowledge it was never answered. If you don’t believe in God where do you get your morals from? Not a trick question just curious. Thanks


This sounds like you are saying that those that believe in god do not know the difference between right and wrong, that they need to be told what is right and what is wrong.

I guess some people are born knowing right from wrong and others need a how to be a better person book.


I’m not trying to be disrespectful to anyone. Humans have to be taught what’s good and what’s bad. We are born basically bad. I was just wondering where people that don’t believe in a higher power get their moral compass from. Not pushing anything on anyone or saying I know best. You can’t be taught what’s right or wrong from someone’s feelings. Right and wrong good and bad come from God and God alone.

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Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: Foxpaw] #7299140
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Are not those cannibals descendants of Adam, Noah? Do they not live in a world where the rocks cry out?

All covered in Roman's chapter 1.

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Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: warrior] #7299156
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[quote=warrior]Are not those cannibals descendants of Adam, Noah? Do they not live in a world where the rocks cry out?

All covered in Roman's chapter 1.

About all I can say about that is if the cannibal didn't have the written word nor had ever even heard the name of Jesus how was he supposed to know.
If he is judged on natural law, perhaps he would still be obeying his conscience if he ate the stranger and not a friend or relative. In other words he did the best with what he had ?

Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: Foxpaw] #7299160
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You can't separate early America and Christianity, it's impossible to do. What's hard for me to do is to divorce my Americanism from my Christian faith. It saddens me beyond description to see this country being destroyed before our very eyes and we seem impotent to do anything about it. The world is heading toward judgement at breakneck speed and it's plain as day to see. God's will be done.

Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: Foxpaw] #7299161
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
[quote=warrior]Are not those cannibals descendants of Adam, Noah? Do they not live in a world where the rocks cry out?

All covered in Roman's chapter 1.

About all I can say about that is if the cannibal didn't have the written word nor had ever even heard the name of Jesus how was he supposed to know.
If he is judged on natural law, perhaps he would still be obeying his conscience if he ate the stranger and not a friend or relative. In other words he did the best with what he had ?


He's still accountable.


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Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: rex123] #7299164
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Originally Posted by rex123
You see no harm? So someone say's they can sleep with someone of the same sex not repent of it and not call it a sin and it's okay?


Yes. It's their choice. God gave man free will. They can say that it's ok, and not repent. When judgment day comes they will find out whether they were right or wrong.


Just give me one thing, that I can hold on to. To believe in this livin' is just a hard way to go.
Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: warrior] #7299166
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Foxpaw
[quote=warrior]Are not those cannibals descendants of Adam, Noah? Do they not live in a world where the rocks cry out?

All covered in Roman's chapter 1.

About all I can say about that is if the cannibal didn't have the written word nor had ever even heard the name of Jesus how was he supposed to know.
If he is judged on natural law, perhaps he would still be obeying his conscience if he ate the stranger and not a friend or relative. In other words he did the best with what he had ?


He's still accountable.

Surely you don't believe he is accountable for something he doesn't even know ? How just is this god you speak of ?

Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: Jerry Jr.] #7299170
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Nobody is born knowing right from wrong. That doesn't even make logical sense. Morals are what you are taught.

Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: BandB] #7299173
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Originally Posted by BandB
Nobody is born knowing right from wrong. That doesn't even make logical sense. Morals are what you are taught.

Man is born with a propensity to sin. Lawyers and cops wouldn't be necessary otherwise.

Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: Foxpaw] #7299176
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Originally Posted by warrior


He's still accountable.

Surely you don't believe he is accountable for something he doesn't even know ? How just is this god you speak of ?


So just that He died for you. So just that He does not bend to our will. Temper tantrums crying not fair is not just.


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Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: Foxpaw] #7299183
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This post has proven my point over and over again. Man can't agree on anything that has to do with religion. Every body says they are right and every one else is wrong. I think we are all going to be surprised in the end.

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Nope, I'm not right but I know the One that is. But don't take my word at it because I ain't right, get in His book and find out for yourself.


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Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: BandB] #7299194
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Originally Posted by BandB
Nobody is born knowing right from wrong. That doesn't even make logical sense. Morals are what you are taught.



Now we are back on course. People send their kids to daycare when they are 2. Send them to school after they are old enough. On Sunday they send them to Sunday school to be taught. Then entertain them with u-tube and facebook or worse so they don't have to be bothered with them. Then wonder why their kid don't believe as they do. And in some cases they are actually better off.

Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: rex123] #7299231
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Originally Posted by rex123
All speculation . No meat on the bone facts at all. Might as well say he lived with the africans and rode a white elephant because someone a long time ago said so. I am sure the story serves some end game for some reason.


Does anyone else reading this thread find irony in this statement when considering the entire content of this thread?
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Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: rex123] #7299238
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Originally Posted by rex123
This post has proven my point over and over again. Man can't agree on anything that has to do with religion. Every body says they are right and every one else is wrong. I think we are all going to be surprised in the end.


I think this sums it up pretty well.

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Originally Posted by rex123
This post has proven my point over and over again. Man can't agree on anything that has to do with religion. Every body says they are right and every one else is wrong. I think we are all going to be surprised in the end.


Just a test to either prove or disprove your theory. Does any of God's people disagree with the notion that the sun comes up in the East and goes down in the West ? Only those who disagree need reply, lol. Alaska and up don't count.

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I wonder if God really anticipated that by having is own son die for our sins that us sinners would take that many "mulligans" during our lives. I believe that we well have been born with the tendency to sin and be abusive to our fellow man, but I don't feel that it was God's intention that we has "saved" and "unsaved" humans would train or educate ourselves to be better at sinning. Hopefully we would be willing to turn around and strive to sin less not more.

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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
I've been doing some reading in particular about Jesus and His miracles. While I was searching for the one miracle where Jesus was working for a famed grape juice company making grape juice, I ran into some articles that think Josephus got a lot wrong about the Essene's and some of the scrolls and the later Greek writings of the era. One particular flaw they say was about the miracle where Jesus fed the multitude with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish. They are saying it was bread and few clusters of grapes. They reason the Romans were meat eaters and to justify their horrendous act they changed the grapes to fish.
I love it when a reporter 2000 years from the scene knows more than one closer to the scene. PETA and their cronies are driving head on with their anti meat campaign and intend to chop the tree out by the roots regardless how fishy it smells.



...All flesh is grass........but the Word of our God will stand forever.
Isaiah 40:6

We all must keep the faith! Soon, the Word of God will be seen to the masses; as well as many modern day believers as an archaic writing open for interpretation. It is already happening.
It will be rough times, but we must hold strong and always know that our Creator keeps His word and that Jesus (and He alone) is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.


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Excellent posts with good insight as always Warrior! Thanks, Brother!


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Re: Fake Dead Sea reporting [Re: bblwi] #7299315
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Originally Posted by bblwi
I wonder if God really anticipated that by having is own son die for our sins that us sinners would take that many "mulligans" during our lives. I believe that we well have been born with the tendency to sin and be abusive to our fellow man, but I don't feel that it was God's intention that we has "saved" and "unsaved" humans would train or educate ourselves to be better at sinning. Hopefully we would be willing to turn around and strive to sin less not more.

Bryce


I do agree Bryce, but in today's world who gets to decide the definition of "sin?" Will we as a people continue to follow the Creator's definition of sin, or will we let mankind decide the definition?


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