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Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: Buzzard] #7345472
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Originally Posted by Buzzard
Ain't it bout time for the politics to stop ?

Yes I know it's trying times


I hope not. smile


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Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: Buzzard] #7345475
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Originally Posted by Buzzard
Ain't it bout time for the politics to stop ?

Yes I know it's trying times


Not when it comes to this debacle. It needs to be talked about.



Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345477
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Thank you, Mr Paul.

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345478
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Thank you

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345480
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"The buck stops here" and "I take full responsibility" are just empty words from an empty suit. The consequences of Biden's political calculations are paid for by our troops and those left behind on the ground.

The media is already shifting gears back to COVID and January 6th. They all need to go.

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: Buzzard] #7345481
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Originally Posted by Buzzard
Ain't it bout time for the politics to stop ?

Yes I know it's trying times



Have you missed Paul posting himself? I'm sure he will help you set up your own forum if you ask him nicely.

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345484
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To say families are mad is an understatement.
One mom got kicked off Twitter and fb for her post. I'll be happy to PM the screenshot of it.

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7345486
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Originally Posted by Buzzard
Ain't it bout time for the politics to stop ?

Yes I know it's trying times


Not when it comes to this debacle. It needs to be talked about.

Thank you Paul.
I have refrained from commenting on these threads as I don't have a very good filter in regards to discussing this type of excrement, but sure have been reading every post. This sight is the source of most of the news I get so keep it up.

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345487
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I seen a clip of Biden singing the old Frank Sinatra song-"My Way".


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345488
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The blowing up of our precious American soldiers was an act of in your face by the taliban to let us all know Biden is not in charge. Trump warned the taliban if they touched an American they would pay!

We left when WE controlled the taliban and returned to be controlled BY the taliban. How else was this screw up or designed action going to turn out any other way!

Last edited by Oh Snap; 09/01/21 08:31 PM.

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Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: Buzzard] #7345499
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Originally Posted by Buzzard
Seriously, nobody gave a crap on here about what happened in

April of 75, same crap different decade.

No Angela, those boys were spit on and they

under the buss


I was just about to turn 1 year old in April of 1975. My dad was on a really big Navel ship. He never saw the real action but many I am close to did. I can see the lasting effect it has had on many of them. I mean the fight abroad and the battle when they got home. History does tend to repeat itself in some reflection or another. I care about what happened then but am able to act about what is happening now. This is my present time not then. Sorry bro I have not found that time machine yet.

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: James] #7345500
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Originally Posted by James


Did Trump allow his people to brief Biden's on Trump's plan to withdraw?

No, I don't know the answer for sure, but I read an article--which I can't find at the moment--that said the answer was no. I'll do some more searching.

Jim


Here you go James.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/

"We handed our entire plan to the incoming Biden administration during the lengthy transition. The new team simply wasn’t interested."

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Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: Oh Snap] #7345503
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Originally Posted by Oh Snap
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Which source did you use to read Trumps plan for withdrawal. Too many versions and hard to know what to trust!


Here... if you want to listen to Trump himself explain it. (The video will start in the middle, just before Trump gets on.)

https://youtu.be/LfJuxtH09yU?t=32

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Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345504
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I spent 11 years in the Army with five of that in the 101st Airborne, you could have given any combat arms E-4 or E-5 the task of planning this withdraw and they would have done a better job than this debacle.

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7345506
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Originally Posted by Buzzard
Ain't it bout time for the politics to stop ?

Yes I know it's trying times


Not when it comes to this debacle. It needs to be talked about.

Time for me to exit stage left again....

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345507
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Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: Providence Farm] #7345508
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Buzzard
Ain't it bout time for the politics to stop ?

Yes I know it's trying times



Have you missed Paul posting himself? I'm sure he will help you set up your own forum if you ask him nicely.

No need for my own forum, just time to get back to basics

Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: Buzzard] #7345511
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Originally Posted by Buzzard
Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins

Not when it comes to this debacle. It needs to be talked about.

Time for me to exit stage left again....


Well just take your ball and go home then buzzard, lol. Why do you find debate so disagreeable? I don't agree with anything at all that James posts, but I still read every one of his posts just in case he sees something in a way I missed and might want to look at differently. Debate is a good thing. It's why you'll never see me calling for anyone to be banned from the forum. Everyone should be allowed to post, even if they're wrong, lol.


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Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345524
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The truth about Biden not knowing it was getting bad over there well before he allowed our finest to be killed. Telling the Afghanistan President to lie to help the perception of how bad it actually was.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...roblem-last-call-before-taliban-takeover

https://aclj.org/foreign-policy/lea...ption-as-afghanistan-went-down-in-flames

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Re: Fallen soldiers' families speak out [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345526
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Rather than depend upon either right- or leftwing reports, I went and found the actual agreement. https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...nging-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf. And yes, Biden has had access to this written agreement, minus details of the negotiations and communications that led up to the agreement.

Paragraph 3 of the preamble says "the Taliban will start intra-Afghan negotiations with Afghan sides on March 10, 2020." Apparently, "Afghan sides" means the former secular government there. I don't know whether these negotiations ever took place, but on March 10, 2020, Trump was still in power. Therefore, if the Taliban breached its promise to negotiate, it was up to Trump to call them on it.

Paragraph 4 says, in part: "A permanent and comprehensive ceasefire will be an item on the agenda of the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations." "Dialogue and negotiations" doesn't require the Taliban to agree to anything. This is not a great agreement. Did the Taliban ever attempt to negotiate? Nothing within this agreement says the Taliban must agree to anything with the former Afghan government.

Two paragraphs further down, it says: "The obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in this agreement apply in areas under their control until the formation of the new post-settlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations." Trump agreed that the new government of Afghanistan would be an Islamic State!

The first paragraph of Part One says: "The United States is committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces of the United States, its allies, and Coalition partners, including all non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security contractors, trainers, advisors, and supporting services personnel within fourteen (14) months following announcement of this agreement..." The agreement repeatedly specifies US withdrawal--unlike the "dialogue and negotiations" that were to be conducted.

Part I, Par. F. says the US "...will refrain from the threat or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Afghanistan or intervening in its domestic affairs."

Part 3, Par. 3 says: "The United States will seek economic cooperation for reconstruction with the new post- settlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations, and will not intervene in its internal affairs."

Conclusion: I can't find any "conditions" the Taliban breached. The agreement never says that the Taliban would stop fighting and trying to overthrow the former Afghan government. The agreement never says--and in fact forbids--US intervention in the negotiations or formation of a new ISLAMIC government. An Islamic State is what the Taliban wanted, and what the US agreed to allow.

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