Re: Drought and muskrat's
[Re: TimHoeck]
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09/06/21 11:25 PM
09/06/21 11:25 PM
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Law Dog
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Yep pot holes dried up in many places here it’s common to go through those cycles we get water we have rats it dries up for a few years they are gone.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Drought and muskrat's
[Re: Wife]
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09/08/21 07:59 AM
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Mac
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Lots of great information gentlemen.
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Re: Drought and muskrat's
[Re: Wife]
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09/12/21 11:57 AM
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nimzy
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Re: Drought and muskrat's
[Re: TimHoeck]
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09/12/21 12:33 PM
09/12/21 12:33 PM
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Northern Illinois
MChewk
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Kind of an obvious solution, around here find an active beaver dammed area and you’ll find muskrats.
Last edited by MChewk; 09/12/21 12:33 PM.
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Re: Drought and muskrat's
[Re: TimHoeck]
#7354051
09/12/21 04:52 PM
09/12/21 04:52 PM
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Central, SD
Law Dog
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The weird thing is how the rats disappear and seem to be gone and I’m saying gone! The last time things dried up I checked a spring pond out I figured was a good seed spot always has water, full of cattails and it never freezes so the ideal spot during hard times I figured. I was trapping yotes one year close by and checked out how many houses might be there. Not a house to be found I was shocked I did not expect that because everything needed was in that location?
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Drought and muskrat's
[Re: Law Dog]
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09/12/21 05:59 PM
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100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat
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Drought and low stagnant water equals disease carrying source and with tuleremia = extensive muskrat die offs with a slow come back.
Last edited by bctomcat; 09/12/21 06:35 PM.
The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.
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Re: Drought and muskrat's
[Re: TimHoeck]
#7357445
09/16/21 10:48 PM
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Errington's disease, tularemia and probably a host of other diseases are relentless in high population areas. Its like the lemmings over the cliff but with bacteria, and probably some viruses as the culprits. Rabbits, hares, prairie dogs etc., all have a population mechanism that is outside simple 1+1 biology. Cycles in these type of mammals are also linked to immigration (into) and emigration (out from) areas or "seed" as fur harvesters refer to a beginning population #. The intrinsic rate of animal population increase is used to estimate the potential growth of #'s over time. In other words.......... In excellent habitat areas, we need some rats to exist or come from somewhere to utilize their maximum reproductive potential to produce a "crop". On the prairie here a drought sends them "out" looking for a place of water and they become "food" for every land/avian predator that could not access them in the water. ............ Now suppose the rain/moisture comes and fills the area with water levels conducive to excellent growth and expansion. ..... But in the prairie pothole and lake regions, recruitment is slow due to distances for a small furry mammal to travel and by the time they follow the yellow brick road (probably their great grand kids) and get to OZ (LOL) 2-3-4 years later, water levels are not optimum. OK now just the opposite.................... Water levels are at maximum levels (on a consistent weekly-monthly-yearly basis) for a huge "crop" and the "seed" exists in place,,,, Wow,,,, we have rats everywhere, overlapping each other's living space and whoops,,,,, pathogens emerge on a giant scale to take advantage of all the food (rat bodies) for their population to explode and mutate (like influenza, covid, etc., in humans). Rat diseases exist in nature every second of life,,, they don't become real apparent until their "food" (rats) becomes so abundant that it is noticeable on a scale us humans take note of. High populations lead to increased stress and most Biologists believe that stress decreases an animal's ability to fight off disease. Could also be an "eat out" of rats over producing their #'s for the available winter season food availability and starvation reduces their population. The mythical # K (Carrying Capacity) is used to evaluate the land / marsh's ability to support X number of critters per year 24-7. You use average climate, growing conditions, etc., to estimate that and in good growing years, with "seed" in place and easy winters, populations are above the K.............. Bottom line, End of the day, Boils down to--- the Seed must be in place, Area must be prepped with water conditions, Climate right during growing season, and Diseases / pathogens not highly present for Ma Nature to pull off a CROP................... Sorry I got winded............. Its Bio 101 and should not have spent so much of your time......... Look at it like a corn crop. We plant about 1/3 a bushel of seed per acre in a fertile seed bed in the spring, add some food through fertilizer and hope for good moisture and growing conditions with little or no disease to kill our population back. We hope to harvest 200-300 bushels/per acre and remove that "crop" (with the good and bad micro-organisms attached). If we left even 10% of that "crop" in place and we depended on it to repopulate our field like Nature does we may have a good next year or we may not and the environmental factors would be the MAJOR managers not US....................................... good luck this year as rats seem to be up and if they can immigrate or emigrate your areas, harvest heavy within areas of excellent habitat..................................... the mike
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Re: Drought and muskrat's
[Re: TimHoeck]
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09/19/21 10:24 PM
09/19/21 10:24 PM
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Kanabec Cty, MN
Drakej
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Along with stabile water, diseases, increased predators, bad Ag chems invasive European cattail will be another significant detrimental factor. Not only on m'rats.
I've learned enough thru the years to now know that I don't know enough. KNOWLEDGE IS FREEDOM.
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Re: Drought and muskrat's
[Re: TimHoeck]
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09/20/21 08:06 PM
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nimzy
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The irony is despite the potential challenges some swamps cycle to explosion, while others continue to stagnate.... With drought as the exception!
Last edited by nimzy; 09/20/21 09:09 PM.
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