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Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: LLtrapper] #7355158
09/13/21 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper


I really do like Gary G. He is a good man. He is also a business man and I cannot hold that against him. As for trapping for sport I have never done that. If I cannot make money I will not kill anything for fun. You fuel the antis with such talk and I will have nothing to do with that. It is a commercial venture to me. I do not kill for fun. LLL


Do you think Guy explains to his buyers that his suppliers can't supply at those prices they offer, like Ted Pappas would? We are talking business here and any reasonable businessman knows that everybody in the food chain needs to make a living. Unless.........


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Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355171
09/13/21 11:42 PM
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[quoteDo you think Guy explains to his buyers that his suppliers can't supply at those prices they offer, like Ted Pappas would? We are talking business here and any reasonable businessman knows that everybody in the food chain needs to make a living. Unless.........][/quote]

Sooner or later doesn't it all grind to a stop.??

LLL Trapper, I don't kill for "sport", I take no real pleasure in giving a coon acute lead poisoning. Its just something that needs to be done. Other factors beside just pure profit margins are in the equation. Because I might not make a "profit" in the adventure, doesn't necessarily make it a sport. factor in. I'm no English dandy indulging in "sport"...


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Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: NonPCfed] #7355173
09/13/21 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
[quoteDo you think Guy explains to his buyers that his suppliers can't supply at those prices they offer, like Ted Pappas would? We are talking business here and any reasonable businessman knows that everybody in the food chain needs to make a living. Unless.........]


Sooner or later doesn't it all grind to a stop.??



No. Have you ever had a conversation with a furbuyer? Some of them don't understand the trapper has to make a living too. There is a reason.

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Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: LLtrapper] #7355184
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Nailed it!

Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355200
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You all need to understand that Guy is a smooth talker…he sees $$ every time he opens his mouth! That’s about as politically correct as I can put it!

Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: BvrRetriever] #7355201
09/14/21 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
You all need to understand that Guy is a smooth talker…he sees $$ every time he opens his mouth! That’s about as politically correct as I can put it!


I believe Paul runs a P,C. free site. Say it how it is!

He will correct me if I am wrong!


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Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355298
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To take the time and show where that 1$ coyote travels down the supply chain......I certain thank him for that explanation.

Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355337
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That 5% value coyote working its way up past 50% and still a lousy coyote was worth listening to the whole thing.


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Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355344
09/14/21 09:36 AM
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dont think grooney figures his part of the fur business as a sport dont think he will handle fur for a loss but he sure like you sport trappers

Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355362
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Near the end of the video did I understand correctly that they don't care if you cut the ears off coyote. That would be a lot less time assing around getting the cartilage out. One less step in spending time on the cartilage and then pinning the ear skin and worrying about if it is drying out quick enough to avoid slippage. If the head is going to go for waste anyway how careful you skin out the ears doesn't make a darn bit of difference.

If anyone does cut the ears off coyote can you describe how you do it, the technique.

Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355369
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Why worry about ear slippage at all if the head don't matter. Just leave the ears on.

Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: blackhammer] #7355377
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Originally Posted by blackhammer
Originally Posted by Boco
My fur will be on the FHA March sale.
I would try groeny but he doesnt buy in Ontario.
We dont have what he wants-no coon or coyote here.

I’m guessing Groenwold might be the only coon buyer at FHA. As far as other species he probably buys a majority of them as well. He is set up in China like no one else. Rats because you can ship them into China would be an exception and super select type beaver, cats and coyotes probably has a few other buyers. But for most items he is about the only game in town. Even otter he’s been buying large amounts.


He might buy most of the FHA coon, but not all. I'm guessing he's not real active in the auction room where the select heavy coon sell for relatively decent prices. Most of his purchases likely come well after the auction, mopping up the bargins in the PT room.

Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355405
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Groney knows what he's going to pay you before you even catch It. And that's a fact.


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Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: The Beav] #7355422
09/14/21 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Groney knows what he's going to pay you before you even catch It. And that's a fact.

I think you are spot on.

They focus on maintaining an average price payout per species.

They are good businessmen...cant dispute that.


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Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355437
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And on the flip side of that its hard for a guy to gear up not knowing any pricing whatsoever until the season is basically over over.

Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7355446
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I guess I shouldn’t have used the word “sport” in my original post, I didn’t mean it literally, I guess I should’ve said “lifestyle” but I think u gotta respect Guy for trying to shake up the fur market with Wild Fur Forever. A lot of guys worried about where to sell and knocking him for how he does business but at least he’s fighting toward keeping fur around and trying a new angle and trying to get through to different people and make fur the hip and popular thing. It doesn’t matter who u sell to when the fur market is no longer existent.

Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: Crortvedt05] #7355451
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Originally Posted by Crortvedt05
I guess I shouldn’t have used the word “sport” in my original post, I didn’t mean it literally, I guess I should’ve said “lifestyle” but I think u gotta respect Guy for trying to shake up the fur market with Wild Fur Forever. A lot of guys worried about where to sell and knocking him for how he does business but at least he’s fighting toward keeping fur around and trying a new angle and trying to get through to different people and make fur the hip and popular thing. It doesn’t matter who u sell to when the fur market is no longer existent.

^^^yep


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Re: MARKET TALK @ THE WTA CONVENTION [Re: The Beav] #7355465
09/14/21 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Groney knows what he's going to pay you before you even catch It. And that's a fact.


Then it should be pretty easy to negotiate a contract price with him before the season. Good Luck!


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