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Jail? How about an island in the gulf where they can be banished and the drug of their choice made available in unlimited supply till they kill theirselves? Or just pretend this isnt happening in America? Whats your thoughts? The war on drugs aint working folks.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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#7356115 09/15/2107:22 AM09/15/2107:22 AM
Agreed! I heard the term "legislate morality" coming from the back end of a coffee shop last week which really got my attention. Basically one group of people making laws to suit themselves rather than listening to opposing opinions and working together to come up with a solution. Food for thought. But no, the war on drugs isn't working. Not even with the border wide open.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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#7356121 09/15/2107:41 AM09/15/2107:41 AM
No solution here Mark. Seems like we do like the Philipene and start killing people or find a spot to deport them if they refuse rehab. Give all the dope they want at taxpayers expense till they are dead .
I would very much like to know what others think should be done
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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#7356135 09/15/2108:11 AM09/15/2108:11 AM
Legalize all of it, but life sentences for any crimes committed caused by drug addiction..... robbery, petty theft, selling to minors etc. It would keep the non-problem causers from clogging up the prison system, and keep the problem causers away from polite society forever, because they'll likely never change their ways.
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#7356137 09/15/2108:18 AM09/15/2108:18 AM
It's a dilemma no doubt. It's kind of a one by one - help them one at a time situation, but the numbers are growing much too fast for any helper team to effectively handle anything resembling "most."
The things we've been taught and those ways we've told to seek pleasure as a wealthy culture and the ways we told to try to deal with suffering and grief... by seeking certain things as a culture are not working to lead many toward any measure of a good life.
That's all I got.
Blessings, Mark
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#7356144 09/15/2108:40 AM09/15/2108:40 AM
well when you have them legalizing dope in almost every state ,it kind of speaks to is there really a war on it , they use legalization as a anti gun tool , "we will make it legal for you to do drugs , BUUUUUT you relinquish your 2nd amendment rights" , the hypocrisy of the left has no limits and to try and rationalize it/them as a rational person will drive you mad
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#7356150 09/15/2108:46 AM09/15/2108:46 AM
Here the mayor put them "Homeless" all in one city park..They all got new tents camping gear. Set up porta potties.. Got a dumpster there for them to throw their crap in. Needle drop boxes. Quit the deal..No longer a park you want go to.. Not sure which church is set up a chow line once a day I think. And they got a pantry where people can stop drop things off for them.. Real interesting concept??? It's a mess. No idea what the answer is..
I can't even leave my truck and trailer parked at some of the boat ramps over night without getting ticket. That is where I get POed about the park being full tents.
Mac
"Never Forget Which Way Is Up"
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#7356153 09/15/2108:51 AM09/15/2108:51 AM
That video is pretty wild. I've never been in a city with such blatant drug use as that. Apparently this city doesn't have or is not enforcing any drug laws since none of the users seem the least bit shy about shooting up right in front of people. It doesn't make much of a case for legalization in my mind. I doubt cities that enforce drug laws have any fewer addicts but they're not littering the streets the way these people are at least.
Forced rehab by incarceration CAN work, but it usually doesn't. Three things need to happen in order for it to. 1) They need to not be able to get any drugs of any kind in jail. 2) They have to be in there long enough to truly dry out. 30 days probably won't do it. 3) They have to want to get clean. Most people who go to jail for drugs don't want to get clean. If they're there long enough, they may begin to desire to get clean. But again, it's a slim chance. Just guessing but I'd bet it wouldn't work for 80% or more. It won't work for ANYONE that doesn't, at some point during the incarceration period decide they want to be clean.
Then when people get out of jail, most of them don't even have anywhere to go (having burned all their bridges long before) let alone a job.
I don't know. It's a sad deal and I sure don't see any easy answers.
~~Proud Ultra MAGA~~
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#7356167 09/15/2109:11 AM09/15/2109:11 AM
Everyone of those individuals is a human being. Someone’s son or daughter. I don’t think mom or dad wanted that for them. It’s addiction. Plain and simple. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. Same goes with changing addiction. But I do agree cut the welfare off.
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#7356180 09/15/2109:27 AM09/15/2109:27 AM
These are the people who everyone says should get a job,lol. What exactly are they qualified for? At least a couple of them could work as yoga instructors.
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#7356186 09/15/2109:39 AM09/15/2109:39 AM
I would start by setting up a panel of individuals who have been in that situation, and kicked it (for a great amount of time). Then, use their experiences/knowledge to try to create somewhat of a solution, realizing that probably a majority will not recover.
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#7356194 09/15/2109:50 AM09/15/2109:50 AM
My cousin has been an addict for thirty years. Good looking guy, tall, presentable, articulate. My uncle, his dad, was a successful attorney, his mom was a school teacher. Money was not an issue. My cousin got two masters degrees, and has been in and out of rehab for twenty years. We got together 19 years ago for lunch in Wisconsin, me, him, my dad, my uncle. My cousin was living in a halfway house then, nicely dressed, but with a big scar across his face and a weird braided “pharaoh” goatee on his chin. He told me the scar was from fighting another bum over the food scraps in a McDonald’s bag a passing motorist threw out the window. The other bum used a broken bottle to fight for the food, and cut my cousin. But my cousin proudly said he himself ate the food, not the other guy. Within a week my cousin had bombed out of that halfway house. He was found nearly lifeless on the street, taken to a hospital in Milwaukee, had his stomach pumped, brought back to life. He lives under a bridge somewhere in Arizona now. Isn’t allowed in my uncle’s home, isn’t welcome to any family events. He told me he liked the freedom of bum life, although he now looks like every other addict in these videos, like a living skeleton. If my cousin, highly educated, from a happy family, who has had endless money spent on dozens of rehabs to bring him back to functional, can’t get away from this destructive lifestyle, then I can’t imagine the odds of success for anyone else. As we see here in these Philly videos, addicts just can’t stop. It’s one of the reasons China has been dumping fentanyl in America at a huge loss for ten years. It’s designed to destroy our people. And yet the open borders are “peace, love, light, good intentions” etc. Next up will be terrorists crossing the southern border shooting rockets filled with fentanyl at us. And one political party will say it’s all just a desperate act of love.
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#7356213 09/15/2110:19 AM09/15/2110:19 AM