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Coyote gland lure help #7378245
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Iíd like to try making a gland lure of my own. Iím not asking for anyoneís formula, but just a little help to keep me from messing up. My plan was to use glands and urine and fish oil, as well as some extras. My question is with the oil/urine mixture. I had intended to use spoonbill oil bc thatís what I have and I have had good luck with it in other lures, but I have read here that it doesnít play nicely with urine. Is that true of all fish oil, or just the spoonbill? I do have formulas in some of my books that list glands and urine and fish oil, but I have more that use either glands and urine and glycerin, or glands and fish oil without urine. If I shouldnít use any fish oil in combination with urine, should I go without the fish oil and use glycerin instead, or go without the urine and use the fish oil?
Thanks for any help!
Matt

Re: Coyote gland lure help [Re: MattDoyle] #7378692
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Urine will not blend well with certain ingredients also, I find using a drill to mix a batch is important to get even amounts in those bottles to be consistent once it settles in the bottle or jars. Your going to shake the bottle before using it at the set so itís still the same lure make up it might even improve it if the ingredients are attractive on their own or together.

You could try to thicken it with corn starch or a food thickener also to get a across the board even blend into one consistently. Lots of different outcomes depending on the base you pick and the antifreeze choice your going with, lots of the top brand lures separate on the shelf just try to get it mixed when bottling is the trick.


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Re: Coyote gland lure help [Re: MattDoyle] #7378705
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I guess I should have been clearer in my question. I am not terribly concerned with the solubility of the urine with either the fish oil or the glycerin. My concern is that I have read on here previously that combining Spoonbill oil with urine caused excessive pressure to build up in the batch. While Iím not opposed to just shaking up the bottle before using it, Iíd rather not have it blow up lol. I donít know if this condition of gas build up is unique to Spoonbill oil, or if that is something that occurs when any fish oil (say trout oil) is mixed with coyote urine. ?
I do understand that the glycerin, or even alcohol, would give me much better solubility when mixed, and I donít intend to not use one or the other just for the purpose of antifreeze. Either base, the fish oil or the glycerin will take on the smells of the other ingredients. I just feel that if I am going to add something to my urine and glands that will make up a large portion of the total volume, wouldnít I want the added benefit of the fatty acid smell associated with the fish oil vs the benefit of better solubility associated with the glycerin?

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Un finished lures get gassy when still breaking down yes, but fresh glands when used are preserved with sodium benzoate to stop the breakdown process and gas issues not sure how that comes into play with spoonbill oil never worked with it.


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Thank you, Law Dog. I appreciate the help. The glands I have are fresh and preserved, but I had planned on adding zinc valerate just in case. The reaction I am concerned with is involving the oil and the urine. I was told that just 2 oz of the oil, mixed with 2 oz of the urine, would cause a reaction volatile enough to over flow a quart jar. That is specifically with the Spoonbill Oil, but I didnít know if I could expect a sinus reaction with other fish oils.

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Like Law Dog I've no experience with spoonbill oil, but gland lures I make myself with urine and fish oil together work fine. Trout oil, sun rendered salmon oil and pressed fish oils is what I use and they've given no issues. Just make sure your glands are preserved and stopped. I like trout oil the best of those mentioned by the way.
Hope this helps you some.


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Originally Posted by oppossum1
Like Law Dog I've no experience with spoonbill oil, but gland lures I make myself with urine and fish oil together work fine. Trout oil, sun rendered salmon oil and pressed fish oils is what I use and they've given no issues. Just make sure your glands are preserved and stopped. I like trout oil the best of those mentioned by the way.
Hope this helps you some.


Oppossum1, that does help a great deal! Thank you! In fact, thatís exactly what I was hoping to hear, as trout was going to be my next choice.

Matt

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It occurs as a reaction that is within seconds of mixing a certain ratio of fats with oil or urine


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I put up fresh glands a few years ago they came out like puddy I even put them in a blender still pretty thick but workable.


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Originally Posted by TravC
It occurs as a reaction that is within seconds of mixing a certain ratio of fats with oil or urine


So would it be safe to assume that the reason it doesnít happen with all fish oils is due to a lower fat content?

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Originally Posted by Law Dog
I put up fresh glands a few years ago they came out like puddy I even put them in a blender still pretty thick but workable.


Did you have my luck making them into something usable?

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Mostly happens with glands and urine but i have had spoonbill do it


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Re: Coyote gland lure help [Re: MattDoyle] #7379677
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You better have a transfer container handy once you have that reaction beginning to work. It can over flow a bucket quickly depending upon the volume that you have in that container to allow for such a situation to occur.

Just imagine how you add baking soda to water and see how it reacts. Urine and some oils will do the same. But that is how you learn for the next time.

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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
You better have a transfer container handy once you have that reaction beginning to work. It can over flow a bucket quickly depending upon the volume that you have in that container to allow for such a situation to occur.

Just imagine how you add baking soda to water and see how it reacts. Urine and some oils will do the same. But that is how you learn for the next time.


Bob, is there any benefit, in this regard, to the order in which the ingredients are mixed? For example, you can add acid to water but never water to acid..

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Originally Posted by MattDoyle
Originally Posted by Law Dog
I put up fresh glands a few years ago they came out like puddy I even put them in a blender still pretty thick but workable.


Did you have my luck making them into something usable?



They are usable just puddy like I was going for a cream that would be easier to work with at a set that was the issue. Just takes longer to get a gob on a stick to much or to little kind if problem Iíll try to blender them again.


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If the ingredients are going to react once combined it won't matter as to the order in which they are blended. It will just begin slowly at first with gas bubbles occurring and the volcano lava will begin to rise. grin I have had my share of Mad scientist moments in my lifetime early on.

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Look up Seldom Fails on YouTube. He has several short videos of him testing coyote glands and gland lure. There's some interesting things to see. Most interesting is how coyotes react to straight coyote glands.

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Seldom Fales is the channel name.

Last edited by Seldom; 10/20/21 08:21 AM.

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Youtube Channel- ďSeldom FalesĒ
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Originally Posted by Seldom
Seldom Fales is the channel name.


Thank you, Yes Sir and Seldom. Seldom, Iíve watched your channel quite a bit. I quite enjoy it. Itís very informative and interesting, to say the least. I understand why you donít name the name of lures you test that only get mediocre responses at times in your area, but I do often wish you would name the names of lures that elicited great responses. Iíd love to send you one I made and passed around a bit to test, but Iím sure you are overrun with those kind of requests! Thank you for the work you put into helping the rest of us understand ďwhyĒ
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Originally Posted by Seldom
Seldom Fales is the channel name.


Lot's to learn from those videos.



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