Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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They were left out because Emperor Constantine wanted them left out. That's not correct, Danny. Read any of the early church fathers. Those writings were considered heretical two hundred years before Constantine was born.
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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They were left out because Emperor Constantine wanted them left out. Same reason all the manuscripts used were written 200 years AFTER the execution. Emperor Constantine wanted to unite his empire under one religion. To do that he had to incorporate a lot of other religious belief and tradition into the new one.
They were hidden to protect them. Constantine and his merry band along with the popes that came after him, destroyed a lot of stuff.
if you dont think they were just charlatans, ask yourself why all over Europe are there so many spears of angina, nails from the cross etc. in ancient churches Only Paul was writing is opposition to the gnostics from the very start of the church, so you are way off.
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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Yes White 17. Thanks for the correction
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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PA skinner you have no idea what Paul wrote because nothing he wrote is available unless the Vatican has them locked away in their library. All we have are things written 200 years later
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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Keith, did you really link a geological site as "proof" that Jesus was married? LMAO
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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Keith, did you really link a geological site as "proof" that Jesus was married? LMAO Yes, I did give a link to "genealogical" site. Family Search is the best and most widely used genealogical site in existence. Jesus is in thousands of people's pedigrees. You can find fancy, gold embellished copies of many pedigrees with Jesus in them in the Restricted section of many Catholic Universitie's libraries too. I suspect they have them in protestant libraries too. Mark June should likely know. There are tax and trade records showing that Joseph of Arimathea and Jesus's other relatives owned mines in Cornwall and Wales and that some of those relatives started moving there 6 generations before Christ's birth. They frequently married cousins, to keep the wealth in the family. Kids were shuttled off to marriage from Israel to Cornwall and vice versa to keep the family close. Keith
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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^^^^^^^ That crazy idea is called "British Israelism". It's been a justification for many whacky anti-Semitic cults over the last 150 years or so. It teaches that the people of the British Isles are the actual Jews, not the one living in the middle-east (Israel/Palestine). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_IsraelismThank goodness for modern DNA science; it has buried the silly idea. Some people may have used the genealogical information to support odd beliefs much later on, but it was originally used to support the divine right of kings. If you check it out, you will find that if the genealogical records are fake, they are extraordinarily good fakes, where real people, documents and events were flawlessly merged together with the fakes. I suspect the records are more likely to be true than fake, but could see how people with enormous resources could have it done. Keith
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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A side note to British Israelism: Many of us guys who have been around awhile will remember Herbert Armstrong and his son Garner Ted Armstrong that their goofy "World Wide Church of God", you might remember seeing there magazine "The Plain Truth". The Armstrong dynasty kept this cultic church going for several decades. After Armstrong's death there was some turmoil in the church and their new leader led almost the entire denomination away from the heresy they had been following for years. This kind of thing almost never happens. https://religionfacts.com/worldwide-church-godFor some reason people want to latch on to goofy ideas like those found in the admittedly fictitious book "The Da Vinci Code" and believe them as fact, even when the author of the book says: "Hey folks, this is just a fictitious novel". Crazy.
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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A side note to British Israelism: Many of us guys who have been around awhile will remember Herbert Armstrong and his son Garner Ted Armstrong that their goofy "World Wide Church of God", you might remember seeing there magazine "The Plain Truth". The Armstrong dynasty kept this cultic church going for several decades. After Armstrong's death there was some turmoil in the church and their new leader led almost the entire denomination away from the heresy they had been following for years. This kind of thing almost never happens. https://religionfacts.com/worldwide-church-godFor some reason people want to latch on to goofy ideas like those found in the admittedly fictitious book "The Da Vinci Code" and believe them as fact, even when the author of the book says: "Hey folks, this is just a fictitious novel". Crazy. Interesting What makes you say they were a cult?
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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If European royalty were descendants of Christ they sure didn't pay attention to his teachings.
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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What does a fictitious novel have to do with this video? Its just information. Nothing new, just stuff dismissed by constantine and his successors. I realize its long but I thought maybe some of you would watch it. If your not going to watch how can you comment?
I am curious though now that its been added in, where is the information at on DNA results of European Royalty?
I realize that untill the movie was made most christians never heard of Jesus having a wife. The knowledge has alway been there just taught by the catholics and so later the protestant offshoots that he did not. Dead sea scrolls actually brought the story back into mainstream, not the movie.
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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Do you believe the video Danny?
Or perhaps I should say so you agree with the videos conclusions?
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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I think its likely Jesus had a wife. He was after all a Jew. I think the Jewish clergy were more than a little upset when he began changing their religion. After he was killed his followers were upset. The first ones executed in the arena were not executed for being followers of the new religion they were executed for arson. A couple hundred years later he was exalted into a deity. By some. 400 years later Constantine cemented the belief.
There is plenty of evidence Jews were in England trading 2000 years ago. The tin mines and trading thing is well documented. Was the family of Jesus or even a young Jesus one of them? It is certainly a possibility. There are a lot of possibilities for the lost years. Jews were in India also. It is also a possibility Jesus met Siddhartha as many believe and got his love your neighbor philosophy from him. It could also have happened the other way round or not at all.
I do not believe Jesus was a supernatural deity anymore than I believe Siddhartha was.
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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I believe the finite have always struggled to figure out the infinite. I'll stick to the revelations we have; Creation, Christ and the Bible and pass on History Channel and Google search engines.
Philip Yancey and others are correct: if Darwinism (which has largely been discredited by 20-21st century science, but not accepted by devout naturalists whose 21st century palaces of glory are built upon it) were correct, then humans would need to admit that a system of naturalism (darwinism), and it's evolutionary theory of survival of the fittest, could not evolve a rational brain.
I think some of that is at play on this thread. Irrational as can be. But the deceiver is tickled by all of it. It's what he does. Prolly kicked up some where have a brew or 6.
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Re: is this whole thing a lie?
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I do not believe Jesus was a supernatural deity anymore than I believe Siddhartha was.
In a long and drawn out way that was was your whole point all along about your post . I would like to know why your deep , dark resentment of Christianity consumes you .
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