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Re: Properly bedding a trap for the Pipe Dream set
[Re: Blaine County]
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11/15/21 09:19 AM
11/15/21 09:19 AM
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Central New York State
Zagman
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Central New York State
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You can certainly drive a pipe in the ground as a lure / bait holder and bed and blend a normal way, but I'd NOT call that my Pipe Dream Set. Oklahoma just doesn't get the rain and snow we get so I'd see little need to do it my way over your way...........
To that end, I've had other trappers tell me they've used pipe or PVC for coyotes before they saw me doing it, and I'd be naïve AND arrogant to believe NO ONE ever did it before me. The Pipe Dream set is about all that other stuff and NOT ONLY about the pipe. I made that set for decades with T-Bones, Grab and Die's, etc. The pipe was the last thing I added. Frankly, sometimes I wish I'd never included the word Pipe in the Pipe Dream Set! LOL
So yes.....get a backing, drive your pipe into it, blend a trap in front the traditional way.......we often do that when we trap in Kansas because the sand hills wont allow a good trap bed and/or dirt hole.
MZ
Last edited by Zagman; 11/15/21 02:38 PM.
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Re: Properly bedding a trap for the Pipe Dream set
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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11/15/21 09:29 AM
11/15/21 09:29 AM
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UP Michigan
Yooper1978
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UP Michigan
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Last winter, I used a piece of PVC pipe as my bait holder and put some “loud” lure on a branch near the pipe. That was the only thing I used from the pipe dream set. I bedded a 3N, with a drag, in the snow. I couldn’t come up with any other plan other than this. I was having a difficult time catching this animal that was frequenting the area. I did end up catching the coyote using the above method. As seen in the picture, he was giving me a tough time the day before I caught him.
All of this being said, I bedded in snow, the pipe was in the snow. It was not a pipe dream set. I do thank Mr Zagman for the idea to use a pipe as my bait holder though.
Last edited by Yooper1978; 11/15/21 09:32 AM.
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Re: Properly bedding a trap for the Pipe Dream set
[Re: Zagman]
#7405603
11/15/21 10:39 AM
11/15/21 10:39 AM
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Joined: Mar 2010
2A Sanctuaries-W. OK & N. NM
Blaine County
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2A Sanctuaries-W. OK & N. NM
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You can certainly drive a pipe in the ground as a lure / bait holder and bed and blend a normal way, but I'd NOT call that my Pipe Dream Set. Oklahoma just doesn't get the rain and snow we get so I'd see little need to do it my way over your way...........
To that end, I've had other trappers tell me they've used pipe or PVC for coyotes before they saw me doing it, and I'd be naïve AND arrogant to believe NO ONE ever did it before me. The Pipe Dream set is about all that other stuff and NOT about the pipe. I made that set for decades with T-Bones, Grab and Die's, etc. The pipe was the last thing I added. Frankly, sometimes I wish I'd never included the word Pipe in the Pipe Dream Set! LOL
So yes.....get a backing, drive your pipe into it, blend a trap in front the traditional way.......we often do that when we trap in Kansas because the sand hills wont allow a good trap bed and/or dirt hole.
MZ
Thank you.
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Re: Properly bedding a trap for the Pipe Dream set
[Re: Zagman]
#7405876
11/15/21 06:16 PM
11/15/21 06:16 PM
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Joined: Jul 2013
Amite county Mississippi
Wolfdog91
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Amite county Mississippi
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I didn't see what you said but I am a big boy! LOL I guess I am about speed and efficiency and perhaps because that gentleman is self-filming it took a LOT longer than it would take me.
A solidly-bedded trap is critical with this set, as a coyote of fox may come in the wrong way (due to wind) but once they get a taste (assuming you are using something they want MORE of) they will go round and round that pipe. If your trap if operative and solidly bedded you have a very good chance of catching that animal.
We have videos and pics of coyotes and fox working on a pipe (no trap) for 2-3-5-7 minutes. They go around the pipe as they try to pull the pipe from the ground and take it somewhere for themselves. When they do this, they pull up with their mouth and neck and push DOWN with their feet like a guy doing pushups.....and I think I often get catches on nights of half-frozen or snow-covered sets because of this action or reaction .
If a coyote has, let's say, five pounds of downward pressure while standing erect (I am guessing) what does that number of pounds of pressure DOWN turn into when pulling UP with the pipe in his mouth?
In the end, while I introduced this to the world in 2012 or 2013, the set was a NUMBER of things brought together for what I called the Pipe Dream Set. And, I KNEW that trappers being trappers, a LOT of guys would change it or tweak it or re-engineer it to their liking or justification. I know a lure maker/social media person "changed" it to their justification by adding poke holes in the ground around the pipe and adding different lures to get more foot movement. The whole idea was to get the stink ABOVE ground, so this seems counterintuitive to me.......but perhaps its sells more lure? LOL
This is how I do it:
Deep bed for holding ground water (some of you may NOT have that issue....we dig a dirt hole hear and water follows the auger out of the hole!) BTW, I do NOT use a pattern or sod cutter to make my bed, I do it with a Pulaski axe and actually believe I could do it blind-folded! LOL)
Smaller bed than trap and then HAMMER out to squeeze trap in, but trap is "up top" with levers on top of the ground (slightly countersunk with hammer blows to top of sod). Trap is NOT in bottom of bed touching dirt and/or water
Hammer top of sod INWARDS to pinch trap in place
Steel screen cover to hold up grass material and let water go THROUGH without pan cover collapsing and just looking odd
Grass, chopped hay used VERY lightly to cover trap and screen. Guys use too much! I can see the trap and screen if I look close. On my Jake traps a pinch of grass the size of an egg but no more than a tennis ball is all you need
Grey electrical conduit (I like one inch INSIDE diameter) 9-10 inches long driven into grass tuft out of view. Only 2-3 inches should stick out, and I angle the pipe slightly toward the trap bed.
Bait/lure it with something they like the taste of and want more of......you want them there for seven minutes, not seven seconds.
That's it......I can do this set in a few minutes, because I need to get down the road and do it 50-75 more times. Nothing wrong with a slower approach or taking longer. I've perfected the tools I need to do it quickly and this is what works for me. In the end, if it works for you, then you are doing it right.
MZ Thank you. Basically I was just asking for clarification on exactly what was so vastly different from how you do it compared to the video . Seemed to me it was basically the same concept however you where saying you did it much quicker with different tools. After watching both your video and that video it honestly SEEMED the same concept for the most part but thank you for the explanation and clarification
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