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Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: Wolfdog91] #7401435
11/10/21 02:19 PM
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X2. I'm curious why you went with less of an offset because of fox concerns. More offset give them opportunity to twist their foot between the jaws?


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Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: MattDoyle] #7401697
11/10/21 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MattDoyle
Originally Posted by trappergbus
Thanks for sharing Scooby, When I tested the Alphas I trapped 4 red fox, same results as you. Red fox are one of the reasons we went with 3/16th offset instead of 1/4.

Tight chains

Trappergbus,
Can you explain the logic behind that statement? I’m not disagreeing with the logic, I genuinely want to know.
Matt

I'm not Gary but here's my 2 cents. Most foot injury is caused by the foot sliding back and forth in the jaws. Pinch it tight= less sliding

Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: Wolfdog91] #7401762
11/10/21 09:48 PM
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Had a gray fox today in an MB 550 by the back foot, just like the red that had some foot damage, nothing that would’ve caused it any real problems, but still some damage. I catch a good bit of fox and I usually stay away from the #3 size traps because they’re heavier. I look forward to seeing how the Alpha does on some other fox catches.

Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: sneaky] #7401988
11/11/21 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sneaky
X2. I'm curious why you went with less of an offset because of fox concerns. More offset give them opportunity to twist their foot between the jaws?

Over the years I've lost more coyotes with 1/4 offsets than 3/16th or closed jaws. I think they were toe caught and twisted out. Rob insisted on 3/16th, I agreed. With red fox it was obvious , if the paw moves , paw gets cut. When a capture is initially made if there's any dirt or small stones were the jaws contact were the offsets end it will hold the jaws open slightly thus increasing the offset gap. Most of the losses with1/4 offsets were in sand gravel mix. Grey fox are a hole different deal, smaller bone structure , tiny paws compared to reds. Very few here so I didn't have the opportunity to test on those cranky guys. Back when they were abundant here I used center swiveled 1.5 monties that were lamed offsets and lots of swivels. They fight a trap like a miniature coyote with a bad attitude. The last one I've trapped here was 5 years ago in a 550 os 4 coil by the back paw. It wasn't pretty. If I see a grey fox track at a location 450s get buried..


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Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: trappergbus] #7402159
11/11/21 10:28 AM
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Thanks Trappergbus and Yessir for the explanation. When you spoke of the grey fox that was hind caught, and said “it wasn’t pretty” so you attribute that to the deeper catch of the 550 vs the 450 (higher up the leg) or the offset jaws, or a combination of both?

Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: MattDoyle] #7402845
11/12/21 05:12 AM
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It was a combination of a deep catch and the trap didn't role with the animal. Coyotes tormented that particular Grey while it was caught also. Coyotes didn't bite him , but lots of tracks around the circle. They paid LOL..


Common sense catches alot of fur..
Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: Wolfdog91] #7434594
12/18/21 12:01 AM
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Got a dozen right away and am pleased with them. I set em right out of the box and they've caught a number of coyotes with no problems. I will go with longer chains next season though, I just prefer longer chains to prevent pumping.


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Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: Wolfdog91] #7434711
12/18/21 07:03 AM
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Glad ya like them, I add a JC Conner rod swivel with 3 links of chain to the stock chain, then extend the anchor end to 18 inches total to the anchor attachment point. Helps with the mounding thing too.


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Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: Wolfdog91] #7434750
12/18/21 08:18 AM
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Just received a dozen. Nice looking and well built.

Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: Yooper1978] #7435015
12/18/21 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Yooper1978
Just received a dozen. Nice looking and well built.

Gettum buried LOL... Good luck


Common sense catches alot of fur..
Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: New MB "APLHA'S" *PICS* [Re: Yes sir] #7477327
01/29/22 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
If was buying more coyote traps I'd be take a serious look at them for sure. I prefer the #3 size trap

X2


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