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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: RdFx] #7434774
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Originally Posted by RdFx
I see where Groney is buying furs in Canada....


Old news. They started buying fur in Canada the year NAFA closed down. Even hired some of NAFA’s best wild fur people.


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7434849
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That i heard of Groeny hiring former Nafa people as soon as Nafa bombed! Only reason i posted as was reading post in Wilderness posts..........


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7434851
12/18/21 10:11 AM
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"Stable price level at Saga Furs´ auction
16.12.2021
Saga Furs´ December auction concluded today. Almost 80 buyers participated in the online auction. The purchases of mink, fox and Finnraccoon pelts were to Russia, South Korea, Turkey, Greece, and western fashion industry. On the other hand, purchases of the company´s main market China remained low. Of the 840,000 mink pelts on offer more than a fifth were sold. In total 210,000 fox skins were offered and half of them were sold. The offering of 20,000 Finnraccoon pelts was 100% sold.

The current covid situation in main markets clearly affected the demand of velvet types offered in this sale. The decision was made to protect the market and keep price levels firm to previous auction. However, Brown classic males reached more than 75% clearance.

Farmed Sable sale was also very positive and was 2/3 sold with increasing prices."


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7434857
12/18/21 10:22 AM
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Furmark certification system covers the whole fur value chain. All points of the value chain are being verified by a third-party auditor. In addition, the value chain can be opened up from auction to consumer through ChainPoint’s blockchain system. With the newly launched SagaTrac RFID system you can trace the pelts all the way to the individual farms and country of origin.




For Boco. Big Money!

You would be proud. The tags say" Furmark Sustainable Natural Fur" for farmed fur.

Natural definition: . as found in nature and not involving anything made or done by people: eek

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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7434893
12/18/21 11:08 AM
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Marten is looking good this year too.


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: Boco] #7434900
12/18/21 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Marten is looking good this year too.


"My marten average was $45 ($35 U.S.), lynx $65, fox $15. Sold to GFW for cash"

Not if you sold to Groeny. frown

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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7434906
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A 45 dollar marten is a lot better than a 5 dollar coon.


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: Boco] #7434920
12/18/21 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
A 45 dollar marten is a lot better than a 5 dollar coon.

now-now dont get these guys excited that raccoon are 5 bucks
those were probably 3X marten as well
so drop a notch of 10 bucks every size grade down and reality sets in

Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7434921
12/18/21 11:51 AM
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They are talking a $45 CDN dollar average plus this is for the larger marten you get up North like in the James Bay lowlands.
It would put are marten at a $35 to $30 dollar CDN average.

Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: nimzy] #7434922
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Whats a country buyer?

I mean “country buyer” sounds like a category or large group.

Anyone other than a auction house buying fur in the US.


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: gibb] #7434925
12/18/21 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gibb
They are talking a $45 CDN dollar average plus this is for the larger marten you get up North like in the James Bay lowlands.
It would put are marten at a $35 to $30 dollar CDN average.

same as last years prices on marten and our dollar is 5% better than last year

Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: Northof50] #7434929
12/18/21 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Northof50
Originally Posted by Boco
A 45 dollar marten is a lot better than a 5 dollar coon.

now-now dont get these guys excited that raccoon are 5 bucks
those were probably 3X marten as well
so drop a notch of 10 bucks every size grade down and reality sets in


"Boco is the one that gives people unrealistic expectations, not me."

I guess this needs to be repeated.


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7434946
12/18/21 12:41 PM
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When you really think about it, you have to wonder how Groeny can buy at auction, pay the buyers fee and resell at a profit when the auction companies can't get you the price Groenys selling at.

Seems like the auction companies have some work to do.


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7434965
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Groeny has to pay more at the auction than he does to trappers when he cant get enough from trappers.Since there is low demand for coon he doesnt have any if much competition for the lower end goods.
When groeny buys at the auction he is no different than any other broker that buys there.
A lot of manufacturers use brokers to buy their fur at the auction.

I remember back in the 90's there was a Satans Choice biker at the convention in North Bay-He was a fur buyer for Paula Lishman who started the knit fur craze.

You'd be surprized at some of the middle men that buy and sell at the auction.

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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7435006
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Boco i remember when Nafa showed knit fur clothing up in Ashland Wi at the county fair grounds. There were models showing differant colored items on the runways.


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: Boco] #7435058
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Originally Posted by Boco
A 45 dollar marten is a lot better than a 5 dollar coon.

Im not so sure about that.Depends how you look at it.Some guys down here can catch 50 or more coons a day, thats day after day.
How many martin can be caught day after day.
Depends on the math, and expenses involved.

Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: Boco] #7435063
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Originally Posted by Boco
Groeny has to pay more at the auction than he does to trappers when he cant get enough from trappers.Since there is low demand for coon he doesnt have any if much competition for the lower end goods.
When groeny buys at the auction he is no different than any other broker that buys there.
A lot of manufacturers use brokers to buy their fur at the auction.

I remember back in the 90's there was a Satans Choice biker at the convention in North Bay-He was a fur buyer for Paula Lishman who started the knit fur craze.

You'd be surprized at some of the middle men that buy and sell at the auction.

Most of the brokers at fur auctions buy for their customers on a 3% commission, why would anyone think Groenewold's do anything different?

Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7435068
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Maybe it is me, but I don't think you would need a broker for an online Auction. Maybe you still do?


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Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: wallfur] #7435069
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Originally Posted by wallfur
Originally Posted by Boco
Finnraccoon sold out 100%
Taking over the coyote market-finnraccoon is certified.
...awesome 100% clearance at 5 dollors a pelt!!! probally only had 99.9 % clearance with only 4.99 average if not certified lol

Finncoon averaged $52 USD. at SAGA, not $5

Re: GFW FUR ROUTE UPDATE - USA ROUTES POSTPONED [Re: Dirt] #7435072
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Maybe it is me, but I don't think you would need a broker for an online Auction. Maybe you still do?

Online auctions have not been around for many sales. At FHA I still use a Canadian broker that goes and grades the fur touches it, looks at it first hand. Been doing this for a while and don't trust pictures as much as someone holding it in their hand and looking at it. To much money involved to buy from a picture. When other buyers can go look at the fur themselves (and after this Covid deal) the auctions will almost certainly improve.

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