Wolf Trapping - what are your questions?
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12/28/21 02:40 AM
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Posts: 1,993 North Central Idaho
Jumperzee
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Looking to round up questions folks have on wolf trapping. In particular, what kind of stuff would you want to see presented during a demo or ask a panel if you had the chance.
Every year at our Idaho Trapper's Assn fur sales we put on a couple days of trapping and fur handling demos to keep folks engaged while the graders are doing their thing. The wolf demos have gotten popular to the point people are coming just to see those presentations. We're fortunate to have some knowledgeable guys who have been consistently successful and don't mind sharing what they know with aspiring trappers.
To keep things fresh and share as much info as possible we're going to try a panel Q&A discussion in addition to the standard field demos. We want to try and keep the topics organized and curious what kinds of questions folks have.
Sample topics:
- Set location, picking spots, trap siting, bait, lure, etc, etc - Time management, line maintenance, multi-species lines, etc - Dealing with non-targets, public, other trappers, risk mgmt - Fur handling - Dealing with weather - Gear, traps, anchors, - Access - truck, foot, ATV, snowgo, etc - Snares
There are no dumb questions, so please post them up or send to me via PM. Q&A stuff will also be posted on an educational "wolfer" website that should be finished soon.
Thanks for your help - Mike
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Re: Wolf Trapping - what are your questions?
[Re: Jumperzee]
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12/28/21 07:01 AM
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GROUSEWIT
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Avg size of wolves
Most popular trap and size
Most popular snare/cable restraint to use
Loop size and height
NRALIFER,PRPA LIFER,HUNTER,FURTAKER
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Re: Wolf Trapping - what are your questions?
[Re: Jumperzee]
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12/28/21 11:39 AM
12/28/21 11:39 AM
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Posts: 47,957 james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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What percentage of animals,can you take out of the resident pack before the neighboring pack starts to make incursions into the weakened packs territory..
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Wolf Trapping - what are your questions?
[Re: Boco]
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12/28/21 10:44 PM
12/28/21 10:44 PM
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white17

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What percentage of animals,can you take out of the resident pack before the neighboring pack starts to make incursions into the weakened packs territory.. I think those incursions happen all the time. But not many happen when both packs are in the same area at the same time. If that was a frequent occurrence, it would not bode well for wolf populations in general. It may happen more frequently if the pack hierarchy is altered or if their is some event that alters the distribution of the prey base. On the other hand, in areas where pack home ranges are small due to good prey availability, it may happen more often. But if there's enough to eat at home, why leave ?
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Re: Wolf Trapping - what are your questions?
[Re: white17]
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12/29/21 06:26 PM
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bfisch
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What percentage of animals,can you take out of the resident pack before the neighboring pack starts to make incursions into the weakened packs territory.. I think those incursions happen all the time. But not many happen when both packs are in the same area at the same time. If that was a frequent occurrence, it would not bode well for wolf populations in general. It may happen more frequently if the pack hierarchy is altered or if their is some event that alters the distribution of the prey base. On the other hand, in areas where pack home ranges are small due to good prey availability, it may happen more often. But if there's enough to eat at home, why leave ? A couple years ago I worked on a pack of seven or eight. They were fat and in good moose country. When the pack was five member less another pack moved in. They had much less fat. When that pack was down to one member, a third pack moved into the area. They were also skinny. Never could catch the last one of the third pack. I don't know what ever happened to the remaining pack members and spring came. The next winter their were four or five running around the area and I only got one. This fall there were maybe 8. Two were shot by hunters and I got two trapping. The others are still running around. After the majority of a packs members were taken out it took less than two weeks for another pack to move in. The subsequent packs were easier to catch. I don't know if that was coincidence, my skill improved, or the new wolves were unfamiliar with the area and thus at a disadvantage, etc. Maybe all those reasons and more.
Last edited by bfisch; 12/29/21 06:28 PM.
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Re: Wolf Trapping - what are your questions?
[Re: Jumperzee]
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12/29/21 08:08 PM
12/29/21 08:08 PM
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Posts: 47,957 james bay frontierOnt.
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On my northern line there are two territorial post locations that I know of.Three packs of wolves test each other by marking at these posts .They dont trespass beyond the posts but do kick up a lot of dirt,and snow and mark fairly regularly.These 3 packs use areas both on and off my trapline.one pack uses the northwest corner and also goes across the river onto another trapline which is vacant.Another pack comes in from the north east and up until about 15 years ago there was another trapper operating in part of their territory.That line is also now vacant.Another pack comes in from the south and also ranges on a 3rd trapline which up until about 6 years ago was trapped.I now trap that line besides my own.The Northwest pack marks both post locations,the south pack and north east pack mark at one each. When the other two trappers were snaring wolves There were never any incursions between pack areas.Wolves were being harvested from all 3 packs each year.Now that these other packs are not being trapped outside of my trapline I notice as soon as I take a couple wolves from the resident pack in the northwest corner of my line,the south pack will start spending time in that area.after about 10 days.I have also had snared wolves eaten in this area.When I set up a jackpot in the Northeast corner of my line and take two or three wolves from that resident pack,I notice the NW pack will start to make use of the areas past the territorial post in that area.This is when I have not opened a snaresite in the northwest. Our packs here are not normally large like out west. An average pack is 5 to 7 wolves,and I have heard of as many as 12 in one pack.
What I have concluded from this behaviour is that wolfpacks keep tabs on competing packs and if they dynamics of each pack are in balance they wont take any chances of getting caught inside another wolves territory.But as soon as they notice a changing dynamic at the pee post territorial marker they start to push in on the other pack.
In my opinion it takes 4 wolves to sucessfully hunt moose in winter,so two wolves taken out of 5 or 7 in a pack puts it at a big disadvantage.
Last edited by Boco; 12/29/21 08:14 PM.
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Re: Wolf Trapping - what are your questions?
[Re: Jumperzee]
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12/29/21 09:24 PM
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Posts: 47,957 james bay frontierOnt.
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I would agree with that 100%. Lone wolves are a common catch at baitdumps/jackpots.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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