Re: Sharon, is this for real?
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01/06/22 11:09 AM
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I tried looking into coat colors in equines and feather color in chickens and it's the worst form of algebra possible.
The old breeders figured it out with out all of our modern knowledge , just paying attention to what they did and the results. One chicken color development and fixation solution had to do with feather characteristics of the chicks as they developed.
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Re: Sharon, is this for real?
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01/06/22 11:40 AM
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Very true, Okie. I am a member of some chook breeders groups who over time have reached the standard for type , colour and feathering.
In horses , that can hold surprises.
In appys , it is a fascinating science to get consistent colour tones . A lot of variables goes into the mix. Some breeders have it down.
To me, a most interesting anomaly is the clean slate breeder....the sleeper ....the non descript , mostly white , bland looking appy that looks quite boring on the outside, but has the gene to create foals with blasting bold eye-popping colours. There is a formal term for that, but I can't bring it to mind right now...when breeders get a stud or mare that is marginal in that colour with the dominate gene , they get a consistent winner in tones almost every time.
Years ago I had a gelding that was a marginal , if he was left a stud he would have thrown the same loud colours .
Genetics and colours ....another lifetime fascinating endeavor.
I always think of Jack , our Tman Gulo. The love of learning life. Not enough years in life to enjoy it all.
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Re: Sharon, is this for real?
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01/06/22 03:21 PM
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Sharon, you may be too young to remember the TV show wagon train. One of the regulars that was the guide or Scout stage name Flint McCullough. He rode a beautiful black-and-white app that came from a ranch in Central Texas owned by a man named Irah Hanna. Irah had about 2000 acres and generally ran about 180 Appaloosas at any one time. The horse I mentioned was Jet black with a white blanket and beautiful black spots. He gave my sister a sorrel filly just because it didn’t have any spots. One of the odd things about Mr. Hanna was he transported his personal stock in the back of a pick up truck with side rails. He had those horses trained to jump into the bed of the pick up on command. He would tie the reins to the saddle horn and say HUP! Loadup! Then he would close the tail gate and drive off.
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Re: Sharon, is this for real?
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01/06/22 03:24 PM
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Sharon, you may be too young to remember the TV show wagon train. One of the regulars that was the guide or Scout stage name Flint McCullough. He rode a beautiful black-and-white app that came from a ranch in Central Texas owned by a man named Irah Hanna. Irah I had about 2000 acres and generally ran about 180 Appaloosas at any one time. The horse I mentioned was Jet black with a white blanket and beautiful black spots. He gave my sister a sorrel filly just because it didn’t have any spots. One of the odd things about Mr. Hanna was he transported his personal stock in the back of a pick up truck with side rails. He had those horses trained to jump into the bed oh the pick up on command. He would tie the reins to the saddle horn and say HUP! Loadup! Then he would close the tail gate and drive off. Dad had a charlais cow named Charlie he could do that with.
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Re: Sharon, is this for real?
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01/06/22 03:46 PM
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My goodness, what a fascinating history of bees. And the entwining genetics involved ! That seems to leave so much open to challenge, with the feral bees , and details of breeding programs.
This sounds like a good interest for biologists here , such as Jack , and those like him with a biologists' heart.
Sounds a little like chooks too. They were native to other countries and have been bred to adapt here , though still challenging for breeders to get to the standard of perfection , with occasional throwbacks to make allowances for.
Seems like the smaller the creature, the more complicated it is to target specific traits and strengths in breeding.
I can't imagine the tenacity it must take to keep keen watch on your bees in protection of all the invasive elements , feral bees included.
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Re: Sharon, is this for real?
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01/06/22 03:50 PM
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Sharon, you may be too young to remember the TV show wagon train. One of the regulars that was the guide or Scout stage name Flint McCullough. He rode a beautiful black-and-white app that came from a ranch in Central Texas owned by a man named Irah Hanna. Irah had about 2000 acres and generally ran about 180 Appaloosas at any one time. The horse I mentioned was Jet black with a white blanket and beautiful black spots. He gave my sister a sorrel filly just because it didn’t have any spots. One of the odd things about Mr. Hanna was he transported his personal stock in the back of a pick up truck with side rails. He had those horses trained to jump into the bed of the pick up on command. He would tie the reins to the saddle horn and say HUP! Loadup! Then he would close the tail gate and drive off. Neat story on Flint. Yes I used to watch wagon train. Loved it. Didn't know this about Irah . A lot like drafts who walk right in the trailer , all they need is to be told to go in. Thank you for that cool share.
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Re: Sharon, is this for real?
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I always loved the Aps. A real wild horse.
Vietnam--1967 46th. Const./Combat Engineers
"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
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Re: Sharon, is this for real?
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01/06/22 09:11 PM
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I always loved the Aps. A real wild horse. I've owned one, a strawberry roan. If she was representative of the breed they should all be shot. Crazy female dog don't begin to describe it. She needed a dozen whisperers and a couple psychiatrists on speed dial to get to the root of her problems. That time she busted a saddle, tree and all, after giving me more than eight seconds worth before I bailed face first into a fence was enough. Some crazy gal said she liked them spirited and traded straight up for a dappled palomino Skipadore bred QH gelding. I told the gal everything wrong with that mare and offered to toss in a bullet so she wouldn't think I got the best of her. It must took or the dang mare killed her as I never heard back from the gal. The QH turned out to dumb as a rock and skeered of a hat full of water laying in the trail but he was a big dumb sweetheart.
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