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CWD detected in Alabama #7453544
01/07/22 05:49 PM
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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453565
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Matter of time I reckon.

Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453574
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Looks like the state has taken the gloves off for the rest of the season. No bag limits either sex in the affected and buffer zones. Nothing moving out without testing and what does come out has to fully processed.

Probably only slowing the inevitable.


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453579
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We had a DNR in-service session on CWD about 5 or 6 years ago. Were told CWD has the potential to move 1.5 miles annually in wild popluations. But, that was not exactly accurate. Especially since it has been documented that a whitetail buck travelled over 200 miles (in one general direction in a few weeks)

River Otter is correct.....it's just a matter of time. If it's ever documented that a human died due to consumption of a CWD infected deer....anyone can get a deer lease very, very cheap or access to hunting property easily.

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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7453598
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
We had a DNR in-service session on CWD about 5 or 6 years ago. Were told CWD has the potential to move 1.5 miles annually in wild popluations. But, that was not exactly accurate. Especially since it has been documented that a whitetail buck travelled over 200 miles (in one general direction in a few weeks)

River Otter is correct.....it's just a matter of time. If it's ever documented that a human died due to consumption of a CWD infected deer....anyone can get a deer lease very, very cheap or access to hunting property easily.


And if the city dwellers catch wind of that possibility the cry for wholesale slaughter and the ensuing hysteria.


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453630
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I have heard of CWD for years but since I don't hunt deer any more I haven't done any research on it.

Let's say you shoot a deer that has CWD and you don't know that it has CWD, can you safely eat it by cooking it well enough?


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453647
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In Minnesota the dnr is trying to decimate the heard because of cwd. Deer farms seem to be the cause and should be banned in my opinion, no need for them.

Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: Computer Hater] #7453665
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Originally Posted by Computer Hater
I have heard of CWD for years but since I don't hunt deer any more I haven't done any research on it.

Let's say you shoot a deer that has CWD and you don't know that it has CWD, can you safely eat it by cooking it well enough?

No....it takes 1600 degrees F to destroy the abnormal proteins called prions. That's well done to ashes.

There is research that shows it can be transmitted to other deer that have browsed grass that was urinated on by an infected deer....not just by nose to nose contact. Hence, that's why deer urine use is restricted for hunters to buy and use in some states.

CWD is about like the covid virus....all deer are gonna get there chance with it just like all people are gonna get their chance with covid. Difference is CWD is not a virus or a bacteria....so there is a huge unknown about getting control of it.


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: Computer Hater] #7453670
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Originally Posted by Computer Hater
I have heard of CWD for years but since I don't hunt deer any more I haven't done any research on it.

Let's say you shoot a deer that has CWD and you don't know that it has CWD, can you safely eat it by cooking it well enough?


Don't quote me or consider what I say as fact but according to what I have read on the subject there are no documented cases of CWD transferring to humans by any means.

And it is very possible to harvest non symptomatic deer as the latency time from infection to syptomatic can be years and such an infected individual can shed infectious prions during that period. Also the prions that cause CWD can remain infectious in the environment for as yet unknown length of time, possibly forever, they can remain bound to soil particles and according to one experiment taken up by plants (replicating in plant tissue) and consumed to cause infection. Further the prions are extremely resistant to many forms of neutralization such as heat, UV, radiation, etc. Though both bleach and lye show some effectiveness.

But this is nothing but repeating what I have read on the subject.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453677
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Warrior's post above ^^^^ is spot on what we were told a few years ago.


For those that are not familiar with CWD...it is the deer version of mad cow disease and scrapie in sheep.

There is yet no proven transmission of CWD from deer to humans, but.....


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453711
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Of course it's going to be found everywhere with federal money on the line


https://blog.eastmans.com/cwd-goes-federal-good-or-bad/


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: TurkeyWrangler] #7453741
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Originally Posted by TurkeyWrangler
Of course it's going to be found everywhere with federal money on the line


https://blog.eastmans.com/cwd-goes-federal-good-or-bad/

Oh man! I agree. There is gonna be more CWD "discovered" now....


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453766
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CWD is the covid in the deer world, but the scam has been going on for 20 years now.

Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453778
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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453780
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The research half might be a step in the right direction. Not sure how well the research to date has been coordinated and this might improve the focus but it also creates competition for the funding.

The mitigation half will just create unscrupulous competition for Federal money. And to what end since there has not been any action that has proved to be effective in preventing it from spreading or cleaning up the areas where it has occurred.

IMO, they would be better off to focus on research until they come up with something that works.


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: warrior] #7453824
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Computer Hater
I have heard of CWD for years but since I don't hunt deer any more I haven't done any research on it.

Let's say you shoot a deer that has CWD and you don't know that it has CWD, can you safely eat it by cooking it well enough?


Don't quote me or consider what I say as fact but according to what I have read on the subject there are no documented cases of CWD transferring to humans by any means.

And it is very possible to harvest non symptomatic deer as the latency time from infection to syptomatic can be years and such an infected individual can shed infectious prions during that period. Also the prions that cause CWD can remain infectious in the environment for as yet unknown length of time, possibly forever, they can remain bound to soil particles and according to one experiment taken up by plants (replicating in plant tissue) and consumed to cause infection. Further the prions are extremely resistant to many forms of neutralization such as heat, UV, radiation, etc. Though both bleach and lye show some effectiveness.

But this is nothing but repeating what I have read on the subject.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion


And there is a control group of about 300 individuals that unknowing ate CWD infected venison near central NY...They are being watched...


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Originally Posted by M.Magis
CWD is the covid in the deer world, but the scam has been going on for 20 years now.


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: Redknot] #7453848
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Originally Posted by Redknot

And there is a control group of about 300 individuals that unknowing ate CWD infected venison near central NY...They are being watched...


Well don't that just suck.


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Originally Posted by M.Magis
CWD is the covid in the deer world, but the scam has been going on for 20 years now.

What about CWD is a scam?


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Re: CWD detected in Alabama [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7454024
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by M.Magis
CWD is the covid in the deer world, but the scam has been going on for 20 years now.

What about CWD is a scam?

I don't think CWD is a scam. But like Kung Flu certain groups with agendas have practiced the "Don't let a crisis go to waste" method. In Michigan we've had CWD for years now. Antler fanatics and no fence deer farmers have used it to push for regulation changes. Changes to enhance the odds of shooting a buck they define as a trophy. With CWD the older a deer gets, the higher the odds it will contract CWD. But 1 1/2 year old bucks don't have big antlers. I prefer to harvest 2 young deer either sex v/s 1 old antlered buck. I think that may reduce the odds of CWD for deer we eat. But large antler groups and our DNR want to shoot all the does possible, yet leave the bucks to grow big antlers. Population reduction on a large scale takes all deer. CWD does not care a deer's sex. Michigan outlawed baiting deer due to CWD, Antler fanatics loved this, as they figured even small landowners with bait may draw "their" buck away. The CWD crisis will not go to waste by those with an agenda. Not sure if that's a scam or not.


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