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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457058
01/11/22 07:39 AM
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Stainless is not magnetic, or some of it. Stainless cable or chain would not get attracted.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457060
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"Necessity is the mother of Invention"... Great concept!

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457079
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So it's like an inverted nicely instabed?

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: SNIPERB🦝] #7457102
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
So it's like an inverted nicely instabed?


Does that use magnets to secure the trap?



Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457161
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As I recall the Nicely instabed attached to the trap and stayed with it after the catch. I don't recall it allowing for an attachment for deep water or used magnets.


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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457253
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
So it's like an inverted nicely instabed?


Does that use magnets to secure the trap?


No but similar design with some modifications. Not knocking it, but thats just kinda what it looked like to me.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457284
01/11/22 11:41 AM
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Seems like I have heard of the Nicely bedder at some point in my younger years, but I can not picture it - anyone have a picture of one? Now I'm curious...

I certainly did not know what the Nicely was when I was coming up with this, but it also would not surprise me if something that looks similar has been made before. It would surprise me if any used magnets - these magnets are fairly new in the whole scheme of things - the magnets were first developed in the mid 1980's, not sure when the specific type used in the Magnebed was first available.

The magnets are the heart of this thing - it is rock solid, but then when the trap fires all of that vibration and spring force pops the trap off of the device no matter what I do, yet I can barely pull the trap off the magnets with all my might (I'm not particularly young and strong though....). In fact I have learned that the best way to remove the trap is to fire it because it takes a lot of "steady pull" to remove it by hand, and that is presumably with a trap that is set, and when it does finally let go it happens all at once and you are still pulling hard, so the trap goes flying and flopping around while it is set and your hand firmly gripping it. I have not snapped myself doing it, because I quickly figured out that the way to remove the trap is fire it. When I pull a trap from one underwater, I flip the loose jaw up and tap the pan with a tine of the rake and I have never had one stay attached. For an MB-750 underwater I just snap it with a stick because there is no loose jaw.

When I was testing it I initially went with lighter magnets because I was concerned that the beaver might not be able to pull it off after caught, but as I tested them and played with them I realized that the physics of magnetic attraction combined with the forces involved with the trap snapping worked in favor of the trap popping off on its own. If there is even an instant that the force of pull exceeds the pull of the magnets, as soon as the steel is not touching the magnet the holding force drops drastically. Combined with the animal pulling when the trap closes, I have never had a single one remain on the stand after firing, either tripping it myself or with an animal.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457292
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Is there a force difference when the trap snaps on something other than itself?


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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457303
01/11/22 11:58 AM
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Might have to find someone that has some pre 2010 paper trapping catalogs. Its pretty much disappeared from catalogs now.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: SNIPERB🦝] #7457317
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Does that use magnets to secure the trap?


No but similar design with some modifications. Not knocking it, but thats just kinda what it looked like to me.


I was just curious. I recall hearing of a Nicely, but I didn't recall what it looked like or how if functioned.



Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7457320
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Is there a force difference when the trap snaps on something other than itself?


Yes I suspect there is, and I do think it is possible that with a beaver foot on the trap when it trips it could stay on the magnets, which is why I did not go with the strongest magnets. They are not so strong that a beaver can not pull the trap off if it does not release when it snaps. Like I said, I can remove it by just pulling, but it takes enough force that when it finally lets go you have a flying trap in your hand....

Actually it would not surprise me if it had already happened, but unless I find one still attached when I arrive, I would never know. I have never found a tripped trap still held in the device, but I do have video of a 40 plus pound beaver standing on the trap lever and the trap does not pop off until the beaver stepped on the pan later that night. So the magnets are strong enough to hold the trap rock solid with an adult beaver standing on the edge of the trap, but I have never found one tripped and still attached.

It seems that the unique characteristics of magnetic attraction to steel ends up being ideal for holding the trap rock solid, but instantly and freely releasing upon the trap either catching an animal or tripping without an animal.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457321
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I have been in a few situations on dry land where something like that could sure speed up setting. The problem I see with that is it would have to be made in all kinds of shapes and sizes! Good idea, I can sure see the merit in it. Good luck with your invention and sales!


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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: lee steinmeyer] #7457332
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Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer
I have been in a few situations on dry land where something like that could sure speed up setting. The problem I see with that is it would have to be made in all kinds of shapes and sizes! Good idea, I can sure see the merit in it. Good luck with your invention and sales!


It did occur to me that there may be dry land situations where it could be useful, but I have not explored that yet.

It would likely require more than one size, but I do think there is a high likelihood that one model could fit multiple traps, possibly even multiple sizes of traps. Like one model for #1-1/2 and #2 traps, and another for #2 and #3, or something like that. It would be another round of gathering a reference collection of traps and then starting the process of design to fit as many sizes and brands as possible with one model of Magnebed.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457372
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Impressive. Great Idea for sure.


Old enough to know better, but dumb enough to still try.
Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Owen] #7457469
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Will you selling through your Facebook page or other avenues?
Looks to me that it could very handy.

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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457487
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Very innovative, nice job!


How do you walk 3000 miles without food or support and show up at the border 100 lbs overweight with iphones?
Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457502
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Outstanding idea with the magnets!!!

I could use those supports right now.


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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457506
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Lee and loosabarrow, a friend of mine named Bruce Quam from Rockford, Illinois developed a gadget for his MJ 600s to use in deep snow. It was a platform of sorts to hold the trap solid in snowy conditions. The trap would fire then free itself from platform. The trap was rigged to a long chain and drag. Bruce has since died

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457523
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Right now I am just going to take orders through PM here on this furum. Er, forum. But I like furum better.
The first ones should start shipping in a couple weeks.
Just PM me if you would like to get in the list.
Right now all that I have are used so I am going to build a run of brand new ones.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457552
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Maybe I missed it, but how much $ are they? That's unfortunately going to be the deciding factor for many trappers.

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