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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: ~ADC~] #7457564
01/11/22 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Maybe I missed it, but how much $ are they? That's unfortunately going to be the deciding factor for many trappers.


You missed it. Bottom of the first post.


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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: ~ADC~] #7457583
01/11/22 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Maybe I missed it, but how much $ are they? That's unfortunately going to be the deciding factor for many trappers.


$50 each plus shipping.

I would not mess with these for production/numbers fur trapping or hobby trapping. I know that statement wont help my sales, but its true. In my mind these are geared toward beaver (and possibly otter) ADC professionals who are getting paid to have every legal trick in the book and the knowledge to know when and how to use those tricks to remove beavers in a limited access situation, and often in an educated beaver situation. If someone just wants to catch a few beavers as a hobby, I would say just leave the smart ones for seed, or chase them if you like the challenge. If I were a volume numbers fur trapper, I definitely would not waste my time chasing educated beavers at all, and I would not bother putting a trap anywhere that I would need a magnebed or any other trap holding device for that matter, I would find another location to quickly catch the beavers or move on the the next colony of fresh beavers. In the decade or so before I became an ADC professional, I did not want or need the extra weight, expense, and hassle of any trap holding device, I caught the uneducated beavers in the locations that were the fastest and easiest to set, and moved on.
But for the ADC professional in situations similar to mine, it will likely pay for itself many times over, at least I know it would for me. Would I spend $50 on one? I have to say yes because my first one cost me a good bit more than that, but paid for itself many times over. But I am definitely biased on that one!

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7457585
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Maybe I missed it, but how much $ are they? That's unfortunately going to be the deciding factor for many trappers.


You missed it. Bottom of the first post.


Actually I dont think he did miss it, I went back and edited the with pricing after he had already read it.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7457628
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She just wanted to make me think I'm crazy. lol. Thanks for the info.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: ~ADC~] #7457633
01/11/22 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~



She just wanted to make me think I'm crazy. lol. Thanks for the info.


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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7462015
01/15/22 11:11 PM
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Found a picture in this year's Sterling Fur Catalog of [Linked Image]
the nicely instabed...

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7462060
01/16/22 12:19 AM
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You had to do some digging to find that. I believe they bolted on so had to drag the whole thing around after a catch and chain could tangle on it. The idea was sound now that the idea of making it a break away someone may make it viable.


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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7462078
01/16/22 12:41 AM
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Huh, it does kind of look like the magnebed upside down! Totally different concept, but they end up looking kind of similar. Thanks for posting that.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7505115
02/22/22 04:37 PM
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After hearing suggestions from several people, I redesigned the Magnebed so that it is adjustable. This allows the anchor/piling stake to be any angle, even horizontal, and the trap can be adjusted to be level.
I had been considering this for a while, and I was at one point planning to make bases with different angles for different situations. The adjustable feature makes one base work for all stake angles. The adjustable base is now standard on all magnebeds. Here is a picture of three units, each adjusted to a different angle.

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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7505126
02/22/22 04:46 PM
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I would think one could rig a piece of #9 wire to bump the chest, getting the landing gear to drop for a front foot catch when desired.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Trapset] #7505198
02/22/22 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Trapset
I would think one could rig a piece of #9 wire to bump the chest, getting the landing gear to drop for a front foot catch when desired.


Seems reasonable. I have not tried that. I have used “breasting sticks”, but all the magnebed was doing in those instances was holding the trap because the mud was too soft in that location.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7505207
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Loosanarrow,
Some folks seem to have never needed to set a beaver foothold where there is literally no bottom to bed the trap and there is nothing but muck.

I need a few of these. Will order at least one soon.


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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7505247
02/22/22 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Loosanarrow,
Some folks seem to have never needed to set a beaver foothold where there is literally no bottom to bed the trap and there is nothing but muck.

I need a few of these. Will order at least one soon.


As of today I have all but one of the stainless steel components to build more. That component is currently expected to arrive within two weeks. So while I can make the units up, I am missing one set of screws for final assembly until they arrive. I am told they might arrive sooner, but could be up to two weeks. I bought a bunch of everything in case things get worse on the supply chain.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7505892
02/23/22 09:17 AM
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I have had several PM questions about the magnets losing strength over time.

After researching this, it turns out that these type of magnets are very stable, and only lose 1% of their strength in 10 years. Whew, had me worried there for a minute.

They are heat sensitive, and should not be boiled. Any temperature over around 180° F can cause a degrading of the magnetic strength. The magnets are easily replaced if this should happen, but as long as they are not boiled this should not be a problem and the magnets will not lose a significant amount of pull in 50 years or so. The magnets are attached with a nut and are easily removed before boiling/waxing/dying the rest of the unit.

In rare cases, the dash of vehicle in full sun can exceed 180°, but as long as you aren’t storing the magnebed on your dash in the full sun in summertime with the windows closed in the southwest, you won’t even come close to 180°.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7506125
02/23/22 12:41 PM
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Threw one together with scrap I had laying around and 2 black hole oil filter magnets.Only works on a WCS 7.5.Been riding around with in boat the last 3 weeks but haven’t found a place to use it.Epic idea Eric.

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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Mad Scientist] #7506165
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Originally Posted by Mad Scientist
Threw one together with scrap I had laying around and 2 black hole oil filter magnets.Only works on a WCS 7.5.Been riding around with in boat the last 3 weeks but haven’t found a place to use it.Epic idea Eric.


Looks like it would work. Does the base allow you to attach a piling stake, or are you just planning to set it on the bottom?
Also have you tested to see how much weight it takes on the springs to pop it off- like a beaver standing on the spring before it hits the pan?
I would be interested to hear how those magnets hold up under water too. Neodymium magnets corrode quickly in water if not sealed. The ones I am using are nickel coated for long term corrosion resistance, and they are set in epoxy to protect them from impact. An unprotect neodymium magnet is very brittle - the first ones I used all broke because they were not protected from impact. Haven’t broken a single one since I found the ones I use now. Those black hole magnets look like they are protected somewhat, but I have not handled one.

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7506230
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These magnets are pretty strong so I’m just going to test on the line.They do release when the trap snaps.Hopefully the epoxy holds at $9.00 each.I know the 2 for a dollar harbor freight magnets are not strong enough.

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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7506233
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And I thought I had too many screwdrivers.lol
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Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: AKAjust] #7506234
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Originally Posted by AKAjust
And I thought I had too many screwdrivers.lol
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OMG I just about peed myself!

Re: New water trap bedding device? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7506245
02/23/22 02:18 PM
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I hope you put a patent on that thing.....


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