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Pack Rat Black Tar/Middens #7514958
03/02/22 04:22 PM
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To me it has a very musky mouse type smell. The smell reminds me of Grawes Fat Cat lure? So I used a axe to chip off a gallon's worth from the rimrock where the rats lived. I am planning on smashing it into a powder then taking some of it and making a tincture. It's fun to try something new to me! Keep in mind I primarily trap coyotes and bobcats. Thinking about adding a little of this pack rat smell to the bait/lures I make for my own use. Has anyone tried this? If you have could you please share your results with us? Thank Mark.

Re: Pack Rat Black Tar/Middens [Re: Mark McCary] #7519018
03/06/22 06:24 AM
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Look up amberat, has some associations with nasty virus and bacteria pathogens
Smashing it into a powder could be problematic.

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Re: Pack Rat Black Tar/Middens [Re: cmcf] #7519407
03/06/22 03:25 PM
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Thanks for the heads up! Yes I took precautions. It was a lot harder to break up then I thought it would be. So it ended up being mostly marble sized chunks. I used a mixture of glycerin and glycol for a tincturing agent. Just have to wait now to see how the smell transfers or not? At least my dogs and cats showed a interest in the pack rat tar.

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Try some cheap 100proof vodka as well for the tincture solvent good luck


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Re: Pack Rat Black Tar/Middens [Re: cmcf] #7519960
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CMCF, thanks for your help. I will try a batch with the vodka for comparison.

Re: Pack Rat Black Tar/Middens [Re: Mark McCary] #7522847
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In my reading up on these rat middens I found that the binding agent, glue if you like, is urine. Since dessert rats rarely or not at all drink water their urine is a byproduct of vegetable matter digestion. Alcohol and water should be excellent solvents . They may even dissolve the tar.

Suggestion: as a lure ingredient I would start out with a curiosity, food, or other smell that makes them want to dig.
A dirt hole or dig under a rock or log kind of lure. Use sparingly. Possibly fresh ground and preserved mice with a squirt of tincture.

As a stand-alone scent I would focus on possibly a trailing or pee post. Or rats nest set.

Rats and mice don’t “take a leak”. They dribble, constantly. That is the primary odor that other animals identify as
“mousey “ and that’s what made me think of a trailing scent.
I would definitely focus on a pee post because it’s urine! And I doubt if a predator is going to stop and think wait a minute, do rats squat to pee?

Just a few thoughts. I’ve made a few rats nest sets on middens. Never thought to tincture the mess so take this with a grain of un iodized salt. Better yet use about a tablespoon to the quart of tincture as antifreeze.

You may have found an important component in whole puzzle of animal attraction.
I think mountain bunny, hirax? excrement is already a thing in the perfume bizz.

Test with cams and let us know.. if ya ain’t testing ya’s just guessing. Even sifted dirt pattern with tracks will work.

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Re: Pack Rat Black Tar/Middens [Re: cmcf] #7523666
03/10/22 01:36 PM
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Thanks for your great suggestions and information! I also thought it was very interesting how those pack rats would use their urine as a binding agent for nest building. I do believe You are correct about a thinner type of tincturing agent might dissolve the dried urine/tar better. Yes I will do some testing, I'm looking foreword to it. Now I have a reason to buy a trail cam. I will let you all know how it turns out? Maybe by then I will learn how to post a picture?

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