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Rookie mistake… #7524931
03/11/22 01:13 PM
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Well, made a rookie mistake not taking the weather into consideration when using natural baits. At least I’m hoping that was the case.
Put out some sets about a week or so ago with cameras and used “fresh” beaver meat off a beaver I caught that day. Sounded like a great idea in my head at the time after reading on here how much coyotes loved beaver meat.
I haven’t had anything on the cameras this entire time until last night. My “oops” was not accounting for this weather before using the beaver. I’d imagine the first day or two it was alright. But after a week of 80’s to almost 90 I’m guessing those small chunks of beaver meat had got quite rancid.
So last night a coyote shows up on camera. I see him checking a set and think done deal! Next pic shows him on the ground and I still thought, yep he’s caught. Then it shows him standing there looking at trap! So he decides to check out the other set and assume he does the same thing. Because the pic after that is him looking at that sprung trap!

Now all that is documented by pics, but the reasoning is guesses on my part. Any more experienced answers would be welcomed.

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7524963
03/11/22 01:29 PM
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Not sure what the mistake you think you made is? I can guarantee its not the baits fault. Sounds like either he rolled on the trap or your trap bedding wasn't what it should of. Not much you can do about the former other than bed the trap deeper and/or farther from the attractant.

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7524993
03/11/22 01:53 PM
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I was thinking he rolled on the “stink” of the bait and in the process rolled on the trap. What I found odd was he didn’t seem to care. Both sets were flat sets with a couple holes punched either side with a small chunk of beaver in one hole and a lure in the other. That set has worked all winter for me, with colder weather and commercial bait.

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7525012
03/11/22 02:07 PM
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Well it didnt hurt him did it? Maybe pulled a few hairs out and gave him a bit of a shock.

Rolling isnt a bad reaction, you just need to figure out how to take advantage of it.

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7525034
03/11/22 02:31 PM
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Most things a coyote really really like will get a rolling response. I've not seen a lure or bait that is what I call top shelf that they won't roll on

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7525090
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That’s interesting. I don’t have cameras on all my sets, but that’s the first time I’ve seen rolling. Most have just kept shuffling their feet trying to get to the bait or lure until they hit the pan.
Now y’all have me thinking that it might not be exactly a bad thing. It was the placement that was bad, because like I said, he stuck around for a several pics afterwards. And yes, fur was in the jaws this morning.
If the trap had been farther away and he got up to pee or check out the lure he possibly could’ve been caught.
Most of the baits I’ve used in the past are mild and assuming preserved and apparently liked, lol. First time using fresh beaver. And it was fresh when put out. But that heat can really ruin it quick.

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7525467
03/11/22 10:39 PM
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Keep an eye on their feet when you have cams...this will show you where to put your trap. I've had good luck with beaver meat. Keep after it! Seems to me (by recollection) that you're new to the beaver, I think you'll find a lot of usefulness with them as you go forward!


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Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7526093
03/12/22 03:24 PM
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Coyote patterns seem off this year with the lack of much snow few tracks and even fewer on my game cameras moving in many places.

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Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7526173
03/12/22 06:10 PM
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To me your thinking is right on.Most using fresh bait are in areas that don`t get near as warm weather as what you do.I have caught a lot of coyotes and I haven`t seen a rolling reaction from the bait and lure I use.If something is rotten it makes all k9s roll in it.

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7526497
03/12/22 11:34 PM
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Did u use any lures or any other attractors at the set

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Yes sir] #7526500
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Did u use any lures or any other attractors at the set

Yes, cat gland at one and fox at the other. I feel pretty confident it was the beaver that had rotted. That was the only difference this entire year.

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7526517
03/13/22 12:00 AM
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Won't say ur wrong but I bet those glands were rotted for a whole lot more days than the beaver and I'd also say there's probably a pretty good chance that there are ingredients in those gland formulations that can get rolling responses also. If that's the only coyote you have had roll I'd chalk it up as a fluke unless you see it again. I don't even consider a week much of a taint of red meat. To be honest probably most things I use can get a rolling response if the coyote can get to it before he gets caught. Just like humans each coyote will react a different than the last one or the next one. Some roll a lot easier than others.

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Yes sir] #7526719
03/13/22 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
most things I use can get a rolling response if the coyote can get to it before he gets caught.
Same here and I agree 100%! I’m very happy when I see coyotes dig to the bottom of a test hole and roll on what they retrieve because the ones that don’t get that reaction get chit-canned!. If trappers dribble a little of these lures & baits on the ground while luring or baiting a hole, they’re just begging to get the trap sprung from rolling!

Here are 2 testing videos where I purposely used a two different baits on grubstakes that are meant to be used below ground. The bait I used in the 1st video is 1 of 2 of my top performers.
https://youtu.be/1QaV2TRL3aE
https://youtu.be/yWU1KDCmFTM

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Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7526748
03/13/22 09:50 AM
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Lazarus has a pretty go article about the rolling response and coyotes on his website I believe

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7526843
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is it possible that you had unknowingly handled the trap after you put the meat out
or handled the meat before you bed your trap?

Re: Rookie mistake… [Re: Wanna Be] #7526963
03/13/22 02:20 PM
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Your bait went rotten and was no longer something that was edible.Canids love to roll in rotten stuff.
Dry the meat like a big chunk of jerky so it lasts longer in that weather,and use a call near the set,since the drymeat wont have as much calling power on its own but will be very attractive as food,once the canine detects it at the set.

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