Re: Bainting deer
[Re: charles]
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04/08/22 08:14 AM
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Lots of deer feeding happens. I remember posts saying that introducing corn AFTER the deer had switched to browse was unhealthy to the deer. I do not remember proof, but it was an eye opener. Some areas have standing corn year round while others have none.
Saw a really skinny doe yesterday. Fawn drop time?
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: charles]
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04/08/22 08:17 AM
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Bruce T
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I let the hot does bait the bucks in when I'm not tracking a buck on snow.
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: Feedinggrounds]
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04/08/22 08:52 AM
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Baiting in Michigan was legal, now it's not. Very hot topic here. Antler size and those that base the quality of the hunt around that have had a negative effect on the states deer hunters. So much so it has bled into other specie hunting and or trapping access. Deer hunting over a gallon of scattered bait is different than dumping a couple cubic yards. Excitement for deer hunting in Michigan has fallen along with the number of hunters. Every outdoors person that does not embrace or buy into the large antler group is automatically in a lower class. Our states DNR and one of the states supposed large pro outdoors groups have become one and the same. Too many hunters spend too much time worried about what the other hunter shoots or how.....Then we have arguments about whose method is right, Trad. bow v/s crossbow, Trad, muzzle loaders v/s inline, antler v/s meat, placed baiting v/s grown food plots..... I agree with most of what you have posted. However, your first sentence is not correct. Baiting is illegal only in the Lower Peninsula.
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: Mack]
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04/08/22 08:55 AM
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Baiting in Michigan was legal, now it's not. Very hot topic here. Antler size and those that base the quality of the hunt around that have had a negative effect on the states deer hunters. So much so it has bled into other specie hunting and or trapping access. Deer hunting over a gallon of scattered bait is different than dumping a couple cubic yards. Excitement for deer hunting in Michigan has fallen along with the number of hunters. Every outdoors person that does not embrace or buy into the large antler group is automatically in a lower class. Our states DNR and one of the states supposed large pro outdoors groups have become one and the same. Too many hunters spend too much time worried about what the other hunter shoots or how.....Then we have arguments about whose method is right, Trad. bow v/s crossbow, Trad, muzzle loaders v/s inline, antler v/s meat, placed baiting v/s grown food plots..... I agree with most of what you have posted. However, your first sentence is not correct. Baiting is illegal only in the Lower Peninsula. The upper peninsula is still open to baiting?
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: charles]
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04/08/22 10:11 AM
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NC has a pretty diverse environment. On the coastal plain, it's mainly pine and scrub so thick that an armadillo couldn't get through it. There is very little natural mast and browse is literally EVERYWHERE as is cover. Deer rarely use "trails" in this area they tend to wander in broad circles over a period of 4-7 days and rarely use the same path very often unless passing through a pinch point or crossing a ditch. It can be literally impossible to see a deer 25 feet away in some places. Baiting helps pull them out in to the open where they can at least be "seen." Keep in mind baiting is only allowed on private land. Average population is around 20 deer to the sq mile if you can see them.
The Piedmont in the middle of the state is a mix of deciduous and pine and the underbrush is considerably less dense. Mast crop is much greater and the mineral content in the soil is much greater. Baiting is still allowed, but used far less here.
Mountains have a lower deer population, and shorter deer seasons. Tons of mast and fairly open understory outside the stands or laurel. Baiting is still legal on private land, but again used far less due to the amount of acorns and other mast available.
So, a lot of you can't use bait, but you also have extremely open areas to hunt and must higher concentrations of mast crop. With all that said, Charles, I wouldn't participate in a "club baiting" I prefer to hunt my own areas, move as needed and only bait specific areas to draw them out of cover or into a small opening. When you have "club" baiting and "common stands" you start running into issues. But to answer the question, 1k in corn plus lease fees are a little much for my tastes and income.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. " --Mark Twain.
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: WANNABE-TRAPPER]
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04/08/22 12:14 PM
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i am glad i never had to hunt like that
Hunting was always a means to get meat. Its how i grew up. I enjoy it but not enough to pay thousands of dollars just to kill an animal. They are not that delicious. Country here is starting to fill up too. More and more people every year. Open borders and tax breaks/welfare increase for having more kids, its going to keep getting worse. People are having less kids. Way less Not around here, cause more kids equals more welfare money.
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: Wright Brothers]
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04/08/22 12:26 PM
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Lots of deer feeding happens. I remember posts saying that introducing corn AFTER the deer had switched to browse was unhealthy to the deer. I do not remember proof, but it was an eye opener. Some areas have standing corn year round while others have none.
Saw a really skinny doe yesterday. Fawn drop time?
There is alot of maracky posted.
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: charles]
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04/08/22 12:37 PM
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My NC club probably spends $1000 or more per year on shelled corn. Squirrels and turkeys eat more than deer. When I first started hunting deer, we killed more deer than we do today and did not bait. Now we kill larger bucks because we pass on small deer.
Just wondering. There is surely a price point where baiting does not make sense. What are your clubs doing? I am certain that baiting brings deer from other farms over to our lease, which gives us an advantage.
Farming has changed a lot. Not much crop waste anymore. Peanuts are an exception. Original Post
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: charles]
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04/08/22 12:39 PM
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We do the food plot thing to keep the does happy. Happy does happy bucks. We feed just about year around with our food plots. So we are really helping the deer In our area.
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: KeithC]
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04/08/22 02:55 PM
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$1000.00 worth of shell corn is not much corn for a single hunter to use as bait, much less an entire club, unless it is only put out for a very short time period, in a very few spots.
Keith Put it in a feeder that has a timer . It cuts down on waste and saves tons of money. The deer will get used to when the feeder goes off. I have on PVC pipe feeder that holds 100 lbs. I bait starting in sept just to see the bucks on the property. I don't spend anything like 1,000. At 15 bucks a hundred that's 128 50 lb bags. THATS a lot of corn. More like 1,000 lbs Is closer to normal than 1,000 dollars per hunter. I would think....
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: charles]
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04/08/22 03:29 PM
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In Mo it's illegal to hunt over bait, or even the spot it was located on for at least 10 days after the bait is all gone.
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Re: Bainting deer
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04/08/22 04:25 PM
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Rye
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In Mo it's illegal to hunt over bait, or even the spot it was located on for at least 10 days after the bait is all gone. but you can hunt over a food plot or a freshly bushhogged/combined field. It's really no better.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. " --Mark Twain.
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: Rye]
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04/08/22 04:27 PM
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In Mo it's illegal to hunt over bait, or even the spot it was located on for at least 10 days after the bait is all gone. but you can hunt over a food plot or a freshly bushhogged/combined field. It's really no better. Clover field,apple orchard,oak trees,beach nut trees,etc.....the list goes on and on.All baiting.
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Re: Bainting deer
[Re: Mack]
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04/08/22 04:33 PM
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jeff karsten
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Baiting in Michigan was legal, now it's not. Very hot topic here. Antler size and those that base the quality of the hunt around that have had a negative effect on the states deer hunters. So much so it has bled into other specie hunting and or trapping access. Deer hunting over a gallon of scattered bait is different than dumping a couple cubic yards. Excitement for deer hunting in Michigan has fallen along with the number of hunters. Every outdoors person that does not embrace or buy into the large antler group is automatically in a lower class. Our states DNR and one of the states supposed large pro outdoors groups have become one and the same. Too many hunters spend too much time worried about what the other hunter shoots or how.....Then we have arguments about whose method is right, Trad. bow v/s crossbow, Trad, muzzle loaders v/s inline, antler v/s meat, placed baiting v/s grown food plots..... I agree with most of what you have posted. However, your first sentence is not correct. Baiting is illegal only in the Lower Peninsula. All true don't forget the seasons starting in Sept thru Jan. crop permits and disease permits and usda shooters whom have found placing corn 2 weeks before a shoot enhances their success Add neighbors that tell you what to do and shoot on your own property Has taken most of the fun out of hunting
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