I went in to Dunhams to buy some turkey shells.
I looked at the boxes and laughed at the price. I think is was $46.00 for 5 shells.
Some kid salesman heard me laugh and tryed to embarass me in to buying them.
Told him you have a long way to go to embarass me and walked out.
Will use my pheasant loads and let my son use some duck loads for his 20ga.

I’m going to hunt me a turkey with a four hundred and 10 gauge super dooper plutonium turkey loads

That is great that you got to learn from your Dad. I had to learn on my own (Dad wasn't into reloading). I like to do alot of plinking so I do alot of reloading. Have for a long time. You can't stay good if you don't practice.

jbyrd, believe it or not I've got about 10 grand in nothing but test results from actually shooting this stuff through a ballistics test barrel. I've shot quite a bit of ballistics gel too. I've done more shotshell testing and loading in the last week than you have done in your umpteen years of loading. My 410 turkey load travels at a higher velocity than your 3" 12ga turkey load does, guaranteed. I would try to explain the relation of chamber pressures to hull volumes and shot column height but I truly think it would go over your head.

Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to use it. I find it funny how every single person talking junk about small guns and TSS has never shot TSS in their life.

Now, while you are on the couch this evening I'm going to go kill a turkey with my little incapable gun

I tried but I honestly can't follow who is saying what in this thread anymore So - as a proponent of the stuff after stumbling into it - here's my session from last year. Highly recommend for those willing to try. Nothing wrong with doing it the prior way either. It'll all kill em dead if you did your job.

http://oldgobbler.com/Forum/index.php/topic,100709.0.html

The point that we have been making is that the #9 tss shot will penetrate the same as #4 lead. The smaller shot gives you more pellets in the load thus a denser pattern. More pellets in a 20" circle at 40 yards leaves fewer places for the head and neck to be that will not get hit. Thus a much lower chance of wounding the bird.

I can explain it to you.
But I can't understand it for you...

Looks great. Love to see guys patterning their guns and getting the most out of them to ensure a clean kill. Good on ya!

That is good. Sometimes it takes some shooting to find out what the gun likes. If you don't mind me asking, who did you get the load from? I have been shooting Hals and shooters.

Interesting thread. Makes me want to get a new shotgun. My old wingmaster 12 has killed a few turkeys. I just use old steel shot from when I duck hunted. 4’s I believe. It used to be a 30’ full choke barrel but I had a gunsmith cut 2” off it and reinstall the bead when I was a kid. Everyone said the steel would pattern better…it did. Great out to 30-40 yards. Now you guys are using.410 out past that….very cool. Awesome pattern too.

Oh I can assure you I know quite abit about chamber pressures and velocities. Do me a favor since I don't have any tss shot. Load a 12 gauge with the exact some amount of shot in it that is in your 410. Use red dot , PB 571 ball powder anything you have on hand. Put the equivilante to a standard 2 3/4 in high brass shot shell. Ballistic that load and see where your kiddy scatter gun stands. Will the pattern be tighter on the koolaid cannon ? If not wrap it around a tree since it's coming out of a hole 1/2 the size

Hey koolaid cannon good name for the 410 turkey .
Yes I'm om the coach as it's storming and season doesn't come in til sat . Post pics Love to see them

That's all I use is my duck steel shot loads

Don't you gentlemen go trying to interject math and physics into the equation.

There is that pesky math again. If someone is confused read this and understand it. I am going to interject one of them five dollar words, paradigm shifts are hard to make. I don't hunt turkeys, we have them but it's not my thing so I have zero dog in this hunt.

In case anyone cares, I use a .243 or 25-06 for deer. I do have a couple of them new fangled modern sporting rifles I am playing with though.

Just bought a ten round box Winchester Double X ,12 gauge-3"- 1 3/4 oz #5s copper plated lead for $12.99 kills turkers just fine.Got them at Walmart.

I still have a ton from the 80s and 90s. I used to do a lot of duck hunting. High brass 4 mostly, some bb and 2 from goose hunting. Works great for most needs. Use the bb for coyote hunting a few times. All 2 3/4 mags.

I doubt that In the late 70"s I was a grey fox killing machine. (50 plus each year riding a bike qualifies) I spent hundreds of hours loading testing and icing my scrawny shoulder. My ballistics test range? The side of a barn and a full size sheet of newspaper. Proving ground? fox hunting with a dog , watching a den right at dark, and using a caller right at daylight. Pound for pound the gray fox is one of the toughest critters to kill period. (in ky) Forget the buck shots . ANY SIZES to many holes in the patterns for a fox to slip thru. 2 3/4 in was all we had. A magnum load of 571 pushing a 1 3/8 load of number 2 LEAD was death out to 60 yards EVERYTIME. # 4 was aclose second.
But you koolaid cannon masters might not be old enough to remember the epa forcing duck hunters to go to steel. There are TONS of ballistics and data and magazine articles on how and WHY lead is deadlier than steel.
SO adding a T in front of the word steel don't change that . I AM NOT SAYING tungsten won't kill. Just saying it's is the "new Koolaid arsenal in the hunting game. You still haven't mention ONE BIG thing I found out quick about BB's copper plated and plain steel. The pattern will glide drift what ever term you want to use. IF you are shooting past 25 yards. IT HAPPENS . You really see it shooting an unfolded newspaper. Most of my patterns were done at 35 yards for a starting point. PLUS not all guns pattern the same as you know. I have a 870 wingmaster with a straight modified 28 in barrel that holds a better pattern of #2 than some of the full chokes we tested.(lLess shot deformation) Between me and the 4 other guys I loaded for we tested 7 shot guns. All 12 gauge. Browning semi auto. My single barrel and 870. Reminton 1100, & 1187, Winchester Ranger , side by side Remington DB. 1187 and my single barrel were the best ones that held the pattern out to 60 yards. Yes at 33 others would put more pellets in the kill zone. But the single barrel was eaiser to carry for a 13 year old kid on a bike.....

Hahahahahahah. Jbyrd you have got to be kidding me. TSS has nothing to do with steel shot there is no steel in tss shot

I completely agree that lead shot way outperforms steel shot. This is due to the DENSITY of the shot, as you’ve been told repeatedly. TSS is more dense than lead, so just as lead is better than steel, tss is better than lead.

The only thing more dense than TSS shot is that thing between your ears!

Tungsten is to lead as lead is to steel.
Get it?
Didn't think so...

You are so right . I'm stupid for engaging with someone with far superior knowledge and experience. What was I thinking. You proved your intelligence when you made the statement that you had invested 10,000 dollars is ballistic equipment to test a 410 shot gun !!! I hope when I grow up I can kill my turkeys as dead as yours are with the koolaid cannon. You got me wanting to sell all my 12 gauges and start hunting with an air rifle.
But nah I'll keep them.