Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
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05/03/22 07:50 AM
05/03/22 07:50 AM
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Right on. This forum is a great source for information, tactics. But it really shines in making me think about my trap line and animals.
My advice to anyone on this forum is to take what you like and apply it to your area, and leave the rest. There are no absolutes in trapping.
There is a little bit of arguing, back and forth. There are a few sore-heads. But most are generous with their experiences and information. Those are the ones to listen to. Thank you trappers. You know who you are.
The smart trappers will use ANY and EVERY trick they find. I have learned so much on this thread in particular.
Bridges Predator Control Serving Central Texas
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
#7576360
05/04/22 07:23 AM
05/04/22 07:23 AM
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Posts: 5,445 Southern Michigan
trappergbus
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The big producers go to where there's lots of coyotes, so the greed factor is epic. If you trap where the populations are lower variation in set types and attractors pays off big time. Besides that, I get bored doing the same thing over and over. For myself every set is a work of art that we create to fool the coyote, no two are alike. Your imagination is the only limit. Ounce you learn the animal it all makes sense. With less coyotes and less permission to trap on you have to squeeze the lemon. I trap for fur with a control trappers' attitude. I've studied the coyote since the first arrived here, still a ton to learn. That's the magic!
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
#7576465
05/04/22 09:53 AM
05/04/22 09:53 AM
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Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 3,030 E central Il
Golf ball
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I think your 100 percent correct, when it comes to coyotes you never quite learn it all as they are probably the smartest predator we face. When it comes to trapping I never put all my eggs in one basket. I never use just dp’s when dealing with coon , 160’s in trails , 220’s in boxes and even a 1.5 in a trail or a pocket. With beaver in my area that is made up of a network of creeks and drainage ditches, it seems like they show up educated. If you go at them with one type of trap or set construction you will find yourself humbled very quickly. I use 2 types of sets for coyotes unless you count all the variations then it would seem more like 5 or 6 lol. All of that being said I use a lot of different flat sets and 3 types of dirt holes . Yet my dirt holes seem to out perform all others . Yes I have confidence in the dirt holes but I can’t help but think it’s more than just confidence. If so many of you think the flat set is far superior to the dirt hole then maybe I need to work harder on perfecting the flat set. Maybe I’m a little off in my trap placement or maybe it’s the urine or lure placement. The other side of the coin would be that you folks that are not having any luck with dirt holes are doing something wrong , lol I’m not trying to pick a fight here and I mean that. I would love to be more productive but I can’t catch more coyotes than what my area will produce . Last year I was out of coyotes by Christmas, I can’t catch what’s not there. I’ve been at this for over 50 years and over 30 years of it has been geared toward coyotes. I still get asked to trap a few beaver and coon every year . And it should be stated that I don’t keep notes, that being said it’s pretty easy to remember that I set 3 traps at each location at the beginning of season . One flat set , one dirt hole and maybe a different dirt hole or a toy ( pipe ) set and yet it’s pretty easy to say two thirds of my catches come from dirt hole sets while maybe 20 percent come from a pipe set. I should point out that the pipe accounts for close to 20 percent of my catch it is only about 50 percent on the first approach by a coyote. Have I had coyotes approach dirt holes without a catch the first time ? Yes but it’s probably less than 10 percent of the time , it is almost 100 percent affective when it’s a double dirt hole. I’m not trying to brag about my double dirt hole I’m trying to figure out why one third of my sets are flat sets but they don’t account for one third of my catch ?
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: Golf ball]
#7576510
05/04/22 10:53 AM
05/04/22 10:53 AM
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Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 14,565 South Ga - Almost Florida
Swamp Wolf
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I think your 100 percent correct, when it comes to coyotes you never quite learn it all as they are probably the smartest predator we face. When it comes to trapping I never put all my eggs in one basket. I never use just dp’s when dealing with coon , 160’s in trails , 220’s in boxes and even a 1.5 in a trail or a pocket. With beaver in my area that is made up of a network of creeks and drainage ditches, it seems like they show up educated. If you go at them with one type of trap or set construction you will find yourself humbled very quickly. I use 2 types of sets for coyotes unless you count all the variations then it would seem more like 5 or 6 lol. All of that being said I use a lot of different flat sets and 3 types of dirt holes . Yet my dirt holes seem to out perform all others . Yes I have confidence in the dirt holes but I can’t help but think it’s more than just confidence. If so many of you think the flat set is far superior to the dirt hole then maybe I need to work harder on perfecting the flat set. Maybe I’m a little off in my trap placement or maybe it’s the urine or lure placement. The other side of the coin would be that you folks that are not having any luck with dirt holes are doing something wrong , lol I’m not trying to pick a fight here and I mean that. I would love to be more productive but I can’t catch more coyotes than what my area will produce . Last year I was out of coyotes by Christmas, I can’t catch what’s not there. I’ve been at this for over 50 years and over 30 years of it has been geared toward coyotes. I still get asked to trap a few beaver and coon every year . And it should be stated that I don’t keep notes, that being said it’s pretty easy to remember that I set 3 traps at each location at the beginning of season . One flat set , one dirt hole and maybe a different dirt hole or a toy ( pipe ) set and yet it’s pretty easy to say two thirds of my catches come from dirt hole sets while maybe 20 percent come from a pipe set. I should point out that the pipe accounts for close to 20 percent of my catch it is only about 50 percent on the first approach by a coyote. Have I had coyotes approach dirt holes without a catch the first time ? Yes but it’s probably less than 10 percent of the time , it is almost 100 percent affective when it’s a double dirt hole. I’m not trying to brag about my double dirt hole I’m trying to figure out why one third of my sets are flat sets but they don’t account for one third of my catch ? Golf ball, My experiences and success with flat sets vs dirtholes are identical to yours.
Thank God For Your Blessings! Never Half-Arse Anything!
Resource Protection Service
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
#7577353
05/05/22 10:10 AM
05/05/22 10:10 AM
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Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,547 South Texas Brush Country
TEJAS
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Next are a few garden variety hole sets from 17-18 . The set photo is followed by location. The routine was bait down the hole with lure and urine in or on the backing. This look performed better than the three inch version and was much easier to guard. Pan placement was around eight inches straight out from the hole. This spacing and alignment worked well for this look. 1½” Auger 1½” Punch 1½” Punch Coyotes were running the smooth track just to the left of the set.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
#7577379
05/05/22 10:57 AM
05/05/22 10:57 AM
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Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 3,030 E central Il
Golf ball
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I would think around here anyway that any coyote around would have to at least mark that . If they are not shy of it I can’t help but think that set could double as a walk through.
Last picture anyway .
Last edited by Golf ball; 05/05/22 10:58 AM.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
#7577561
05/05/22 06:04 PM
05/05/22 06:04 PM
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Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,547 South Texas Brush Country
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I would have a few marking scent placement objects that would stand out along that roadway with other lured and baited sets. I must admit Mr. Jameson that I didn’t incorporate many of those types of sets on my line at that time. I have to go back to the 17-18 season to even find hole set photos for illustration. Like a lot of trappers, I only had confidence in what I was familiar with and what had worked well in the past. I was going to keep feeding them hole sets as long as they would keep hitting them. Shortly after I made that statement they showed me the error of my ways. The last set photo was short line of ten to twelve traps that were all hole sets. They took around fifteen coyotes off a stretch about a quarter of a mile long. That was around the same time I realized that Wile E. was catching on to hole sets of any type. I didn’t switch from the DH set on my own accord. The coyotes forced me to change if I wanted to stay productive. That is when I went to the blind trail and flat set.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
#7577607
05/05/22 07:03 PM
05/05/22 07:03 PM
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Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,796 central Illinois
yoteguts
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Nice old grumpy male Don! This the kind of landscape pic your looking for Don? No trails just mud that freezes at night.
I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'.
More trappin' and less yappin'.
Member FTA & USSA.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
#7578144
05/06/22 10:52 AM
05/06/22 10:52 AM
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Joined: May 2018
Posts: 12,855 SW Georgia
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Yote and Golf, do you guys have a lot of deer in the areas you trap in?
The vast majority of my blind sets are made on deer trails.
Some of my best locations for BT sets are game trails that run through open pastures.
Do you did anything to try and keep the deer from tripping the traps?
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
#7578351
05/06/22 03:24 PM
05/06/22 03:24 PM
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Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,796 central Illinois
yoteguts
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Tons of deer here. Rarely do I get to trap a pasture. Most of my line is grass strips such as two tracks, crop changes and water ways. These areas are the only cover other than elevation changes on most of my line. I seek out areas away from deer to avoid the hunters not so much the deer. Lol trails are a rare thing here but some do exist and are usually set. Once the fields are worked and the rain comes I believe the vast majority of prey is found in these grassy areas. Hawks seem to hit these areas hard which tells me there is food there and the yotes will follow. The hardest thing here is the weather freezing mud is hard to keep operating in. Thank goodness for waxed dirt. If you have an elevation change and a setable location it’s a dead yote walking.
I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'.
More trappin' and less yappin'.
Member FTA & USSA.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
[Re: TEJAS]
#7578740
05/06/22 09:49 PM
05/06/22 09:49 PM
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Posts: 2,722 Ohio
Willy Firewood
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The photos of mud look much more familiar! Trapping for mudballs.
Running a line where it is usually dry and above freezing for a few weeks would be a fantasy! I need to go on an adventure.
FRAC LIVES MATTER
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