Re: Muzzleloader guys
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Nope. Strictly traditional, no optics. Charlie
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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Nope. Strictly traditional, no optics. Charlie X2
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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Nope…just iron sights ..and a Rock lock Yep same here
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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We have a Flintlock Only season here in PA. I think we are one of the only state's that has this type of season.
Firearms must be made before 1800 or a replica of such a weapon. Telescopic sights prohibited.
I think you could use that during the general muzzleloader season though but not certain.
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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We have a Flintlock Only season here in PA. I think we are one of the only state's that has this type of season.
Firearms must be made before 1800 or a replica of such a weapon. Telescopic sights prohibited.
I think you could use that during the general muzzleloader season though but not certain. Is the 1800 date part of the law? There were a ton of flintlocks made post 1800, heck, the Golden Age was just getting ramped up then.
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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I play muzzle loader but I don't have a scope setup like that
I have played with modern optics on an inline and they can be very accurate
Ksnow I think they picked a politicians date meaning roughly when percussion became commonly available but certainly not when the technology was invented or first documented
inline rifles date back to about 1650 they just weren't common the technology was there however
clearly there is technology form much after 1800 going into many of the PA legal flinters
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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I do not have a muzzle loader set up like that . Like many here I shot with iron sights back in the day . I bought my first muzzle loader back in 1960 . Muzzle loading was not a big thing back then . You could buy old ones cheap . Wish I had bought more . I do shoot with a scope like the one in your picture . I machined it out of a few pieces of rusty pipe . Bought the lenses off a surplus optics dealer in PA . Works great ,and was a joy to build . I learned a lot . . I use it on my 22 rim fire Stevens . Fun to beat the modern target rifle shooters at the local offhand matches with it .Thrilled I can still win at near 80years old .
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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I do not have a muzzle loader set up like that . Like many here I shot with iron sights back in the day . I bought my first muzzle loader back in 1960 . Muzzle loading was not a big thing back then . You could buy old ones cheap . Wish I had bought more . I do shoot with a scope like the one in your picture . I machined it out of a few pieces of rusty pipe . Bought the lenses off a surplus optics dealer in PA . Works great ,and was a joy to build . I learned a lot . . I use it on my 22 rim fire Stevens . Fun to beat the modern target rifle shooters at the local offhand matches with it .Thrilled I can still win at near 80years old . That's frikken awesome.
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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We have a Flintlock Only season here in PA. I think we are one of the only state's that has this type of season.
Firearms must be made before 1800 or a replica of such a weapon. Telescopic sights prohibited.
I think you could use that during the general muzzleloader season though but not certain. Is the 1800 date part of the law? There were a ton of flintlocks made post 1800, heck, the Golden Age was just getting ramped up then. Yes, that is that is the way the regulation is written. Big Game Regulations Lawful Arms and Ammunition Flintlock Season "Flintlock ignition, single-barrel long guns manufactured prior to 1800, or a similar reproduction of an original muzzleloading single-barrel long gun 44 caliber or larger, or 50 caliber or larger handgun, using single projectile. It is unlawful to use telescopic sights."
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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clearly there is technology form much after 1800 going into many of the PA legal flinters An interesting statement, please give examples.
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Re: Muzzleloader guys
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clearly there is technology form much after 1800 going into many of the PA legal flinters An interesting statement, please give examples. https://www.traditionsfirearms.com/category/PA-Pellet-Ultralightwell specifically I meant the PA pellet rifle a Gun made by traditions to be PA legal but fire pyrodex and 777 pellets it uses a kicker charge but with plastic stocks , the locks look 1800s but the internals of the breach plug are supposedly a newer tech to light off the pellets. the other clear change was that music wire springs were not common pre 1800 but they would be quite common in modern locks they are hidden behind the plate from plain view. also cerocoate and stainless , plastic sights , fiber optic sights rubber but pads so it is in the Spirit of 1800 but not really the strict detail most triggers pre 1800 would also have been single set meaning you had to push the trigger forward to engage the sear most triggers put on muzzle loaders in the last 50 years have a trigger return spring gain music spring technology not flat springs common pre 1800 I don't see anything wrong with these things the spirit of the law is one barrel slow to reload but when you say nothing past 1800 and then guns have "modern" features and technologies that didn't exist in common practice before 1800 it is n't really the letter of the law is it. the percussion cap being patented in 1807 does set the use of caps out of bounds and I think that was the real intent , force a pre 1800 based ignition system.
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