Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
[Re: martyd]
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Danny Clifton. Your right. Girlfriend and I have been together 7 years. Do not live together. We are old (63) will never get married. But politics really came between us during the last presidential election and it has never really been the same. I feel the country has lost its moral compass on every issue. Its getting to the point that my Girlfriend and I do not agree on any issue and that is sad. Cannot have a conversation on any subject because we are opposite. It is very bad we’re you have to be guarded after you say how was your day after you say hello. I am sad because I know what would be best for both us. MD
Excuse me, but I'm 64 and I'm not old.
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
[Re: drasselt]
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Because a schools' "staff" is "trained" and have a CDW permit, that is a slippery slope. First, unless AUTHORIZED as a LEO, they are nothing more than a civilian allowed to carry. The ramifications can be devastating. We see LEOs being charged every day for doing, or omitting to do, what THEY were TRAINED to do. It's that crisis scenario hesitation that can get a person injured or killed. Staff is always there and all over the school. Armed staff would be a huge deterrent to the coward killers. The cowards pick on the defenseless. If they knew there are armed staff eager to shoot them right between the eyes they won’t go there. I’d take my chances with a jury of my peers if it came to that. Truth
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
[Re: Marty]
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Heart wrenching. Prayers for the families.
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
[Re: Marty]
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54 billion to defend uke, maybe a few million to defend American children.
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
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Instead of sending 40 billion to Ukraine we should be using that money to address the mental health crisis in this country. Sadly it is the lunatics in charge of the Washington Asylum. 40 billion? That was just last week! Try over 800 BILLION! Can’t afford to protect Americans but let’s keep trying to protect other countries that only want us when someone is kicking their door in! This one hits home as I have 2 grandchildren 1 is in 4th grade the other one in 2nd Makes me sick to my stomach what these families are going thru The 60,000 dollars per year for a SRO officer doesn’t look that expensive now does it
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
[Re: Marty]
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Seeing how much we will spend on stadiums and sports in general, I'd love to see booster clubs and charity drives to hire armed veterans at every single school.
To me, that would be a win / win situation
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
[Re: Marty]
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The kid was born in North Dakota, fought often with his Mom and had fistfights often with schoolmates. No mention of a father. The school/town is 80% Hispanic, 60 miles from the Mexican border, truancy was a problem with him, he stuttered and had a lisp and was bullied in school. More problems than you can shake a stick at. Sounds like the system failed him a long time ago as well as every other person in his path. Wonder how many lawyers are lining up to get their fingers in this case to sue the school....
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
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Only someone with mental health issues would deliberately set out to kill 8 to 10 year old children. Nailed it.
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
[Re: Marty]
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I am fortunate enough to work for a city that allows SRO's in their schools. But not all cities are the same. I truly don't understand the backlash against SRO's in schools. In addition to having officer presence within the school you also have a role model for the students that's able to create rapport with the students and debunk that "cop fear" the country seems to so desperately want our children to have.
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
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I am fortunate enough to work for a city that allows SRO's in their schools. But not all cities are the same. I truly don't understand the backlash against SRO's in schools. In addition to having officer presence within the school you also have a role model for the students that's able to create rapport with the students and debunk that "cop fear" the country seems to so desperately want our children to have. Our school system does too. Great guys who really care about safety and have good relationships with the students. I have gotten to know them well enough to form the opinion that it would be unwise for a bad guy to screw with them.
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
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I am fortunate enough to work for a city that allows SRO's in their schools. But not all cities are the same. I truly don't understand the backlash against SRO's in schools. In addition to having officer presence within the school you also have a role model for the students that's able to create rapport with the students and debunk that "cop fear" the country seems to so desperately want our children to have. We have SROs here also. I have gotten to spend some time talking with the one in the grade school and I believe this man would be a force to reckon with to anyone aiming to harm the children. I do however believe that as one man in a large building he is limited, and I would support letting teachers also be armed if they so choose. I understand that some teachers would not and some should not be armed, but many are more than capable and would defend our children with the same vigor as their own.
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
[Re: Marty]
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Gentlemen I don't mean to stir the pot here, but as someone who has been through a school shooting the police presence on the campus does not stop a school shooter. The officer may be able to respond and save some lives, but they will not be the determining factor in if a shooting does or does not happen. To be very clear, I am not saying an SRO should not be there. I think they are worth having around for sure, just don't put all of your eggs in that basket.
The proper investment is in access restriction and clearing before entering a building with metal detectors or other methods. I was on a college campus with its own police department. Cops crawling everywhere. Shooting still happened. People still died. Could it have been more people if the campus police didn't respond? Probably so. Did the police presence on campus stop the shooting from happening? No.
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
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Nowadays it goes like this. Teacher calls parent to tell them their kid has been diciplined. Parent goes to the scool,kid tells parent "daddy,the teacher was mean to me". Parent lays a beating on teacher.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
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I see gun control coming for the US
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Re: 14 dead @ school shooting.
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I completely agree with you. My department offers a citizens police academy with a small graduation and luncheon at the end. It's a super way to encourage and empower the community while educating them about the ins and outs of our department, it's quite amazing really. Our community loves, respects and trusts us because of things like this. I think it would be a fantastic idea for teachers to be able to conceal carry, it would also be a excellent idea for them to have to qualify with said weapon they wish to carry in the school and be proficient in the use of that weapon. When introduced to high stress situations your fine motor skills go down dramatically. If you're not proficient in the use of said weapon to the point that it's second nature to function that weapon and be able to trouble shoot malfunctions, your survivability of that situation can go down quite a bit. Just a thought though!
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