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40 minutes..... #7591434
05/25/22 10:00 PM
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Seems the initial responders were there very quickly and retreated after a short gun battle to wait for swat, while they waited they broke windows and evacuated students while hearing the shooting going on in the classroom of death. Now, I was not here but this sure sounds disgraceful.

(unsure of original source)
This is a clip from a Newsmax article. How the shooter was left alone in the building for roughly 40 minutes is completely unacceptable and I don’t know how anyone could argue any different.
“Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw said it was “within 40 minutes or so" from when Ramos opened fire on the school security officer and when the SWAT-like Border Patrol team shot him.”


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591436
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That is unacceptable. They will say they are following some policy.

But, I would take the loss of my job, I’d have engaged the target.


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591442
05/25/22 10:08 PM
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Retreat , I just got here..


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591443
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The Border Patrol agent that put a stop to it went right in without backup.

A real hero.


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591445
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Not good !


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591447
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If true. Absolutely unacceptable.

In 40 minutes parents would have been there rushing in to kill the


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Steven 49er] #7591448
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
The Border Patrol agent that put a stop to it went right in without backup.

A real hero.





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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591487
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The resource officer engaged him as he entered the building, where did he go when this guy entered the classroom?

Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591495
05/25/22 11:34 PM
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My understanding is after the shooter wounded the sro 4 officers responded very quickly briefly engaged and withdrew. They waited for backup while he shot the kids....40 minutes.
The border patrol tac team arrived and ended it fast.

That is the best info I have right now.

Last edited by Marty; 05/25/22 11:35 PM.

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I didn't hear that the sro got wounded just that he engaged him. Thanks

Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591507
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I have looked into this some more and cannot confirm the sro was wounded, my bad.


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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
The Border Patrol agent that put a stop to it went right in without backup.

A real hero.



You got that right. Didn't wait on backup and took care of business.
According to the kids grandfather he was a felon and should not have been able to purchase a gun. News is reporting that the guns were purchased legally soon after the nut turned 18. According to the grandfather the kid didn't even have a driver's license.
Extremely sad. School and church is supposed to be safe places. Unfortunately they seem to be the most vulnerable places.

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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591514
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Grandpa was the felon not the kid

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Where was the kid's father ?


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Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591537
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A murderer left alone for 40 minutes while he was killing kids with armed LE on the scene?

My plan if it happens here is to drive my pick up through the double doors out front they keep locked now. Keep locked I guess to slow down any rescue? It doesn't curtail murderers.

Nothing, absolutely nothing, that I see being done or being recommended by the gun grabbers or the promote more armed citizens crowd either one, makes any sense at all. I think school shootings are being encouraged.


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Story from the AP. Waited outside


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None of this matters. It is the gun's fault.

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Anyone else see musk's tweet about "assault rifles"? Is he ignorant or just that clever?

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We had a shooter in a local high school a few years back.

SRO Blaine Gaskill didn't wait.

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Headline:
Lone resource officer's quick action stopped the Maryland school shooter within seconds...

Re: 40 minutes..... [Re: Marty] #7591590
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Sounds like Blaine Gaskill should be held up as an example to all of us.

The article drifter linked said people were urging LE to go in. Its amazing no civilian did either.


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