Re: Channelized riverbeds.
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06/22/22 06:05 PM
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BigBob
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I would have thought the Army Corpse (sic) of Engineers would have learned their lesson by now. You can't force Mother Nature to do your bidding.
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Re: Channelized riverbeds.
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06/22/22 06:52 PM
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100 years ago the Nishnabotna River in western Iowa was dredged to form a straight channel from the headwaters to where it empties into the Missouri River. In its natural state was a very slow moving and winding river. Old timers said the fish and wildlife populations were unbelievable before straightening. Such a mistake. Why would they do such a thing ? What was the purpose ? Flood control ? Navigation ?
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Re: Channelized riverbeds.
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06/22/22 10:31 PM
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The Corp of Engineers will use their toys at the first, and last, opportunity. A fine example of "improving" a watershed is the Kissimmee River in southern Florida. All that needs to be said about how they improved the Kissimmee can be summed up by the fact that now millions of taxpayer dollars have/are being spent to restore it to as close to original as is possible! What an enormous and expensive cluster it has been.
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Re: Channelized riverbeds.
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06/22/22 11:48 PM
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Aldo Leopold wrote about this way back in the 30’s and 40’s. How we straightened rivers and then realized it was a mistake. If you haven’t read “sand county almanac” I highly recommend it. A lot of wisdom in that man
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Re: Channelized riverbeds.
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06/23/22 02:22 AM
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they straightened out the kankakee river here in nw indiana. it was 250 miles long and they straightened it to a 90 mile long ditch. drained the largest lake in indiana into the ditch and built a town where the lake once was. there is a really good documentary about it if you can find it. its called (everglades of the north, the story of the grand kankakee marsh) here is a trailer to it. https://youtu.be/2U4eR9v6n0w
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06/23/22 11:11 PM
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The Long Tom river near me was straightened and rip rapped back in the 30's by the army corp of engineers. Now they are paying to put some sections back to natural state. The word ridiculous comes to mind.
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Re: Channelized riverbeds.
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06/24/22 12:51 AM
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The Long Tom river near me was straightened and rip rapped back in the 30's by the army corp of engineers. Now they are paying to put some sections back to natural state. The word ridiculous comes to mind. Another great example of gov at its finest. Honestly have you EVER known the gov to actually "solve" a problem?
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06/24/22 08:28 AM
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I like my rivers like I like my ladies-straight, wide and shallow… I like my ladies with lots of curves, fast and always with the feeling that if you step the wrong way you may get in over your head.
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Re: Channelized riverbeds.
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12/13/22 12:27 PM
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100 years ago the Nishnabotna River in western Iowa was dredged to form a straight channel from the headwaters to where it empties into the Missouri River. In its natural state was a very slow moving and winding river. Old timers said the fish and wildlife populations were unbelievable before straightening. Such a mistake. Anything we pilgrims have done to this beautiful landscape has been a mistake. The pure fact that we put dams in rivers just for electricity is atrocious and is responsible for a lot of the problems in the USA natural resource wise. The fact that we suck water from our freshwater in a commercial manner id also atrocious, its ok to me for well water for residential only but man. We should have been desalinating since 1900, the technology would be a lot further along amd we wouldnt have caused as much destruction. Just remember fellas 60M beaver, 60M bison, elk, deer, bear, wolves, we had the world paradise. Our greed and lack of macro thinking and long term suitable(1000 years+) have all but destroyed what was pristine all over. Any work to restore the rivers to their natural state or as best as possible is good, but we need to outlaw hydro electricity and knock every one out, Including the hoover dam.
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Re: Channelized riverbeds.
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12/13/22 12:50 PM
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Dirty D
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Anything we pilgrims have done to this beautiful landscape has been a mistake. The pure fact that we put dams in rivers just for electricity is atrocious and is responsible for a lot of the problems in the USA natural resource wise. The fact that we suck water from our freshwater in a commercial manner id also atrocious, its ok to me for well water for residential only but man. We should have been desalinating since 1900, the technology would be a lot further along amd we wouldnt have caused as much destruction. Just remember fellas 60M beaver, 60M bison, elk, deer, bear, wolves, we had the world paradise. Our greed and lack of macro thinking and long term suitable(1000 years+) have all but destroyed what was pristine all over.
Any work to restore the rivers to their natural state or as best as possible is good, but we need to outlaw hydro electricity and knock every one out, Including the hoover dam.
I generally Agree with you. Lots of small rivers/creeks around here with old dams on them. The State says they are in bad state, either repair or take out. Sometimes they have silted up so badly they are nothing but a shallow pond choked with weeds all summer long. The only fish one finds is usually carp.The cost to repair is always highest, dredging usually comes next then cheaper usually to remove. Removal is always better for wildlife and fishing. But the residents around these impoundments like their "lake" views. I have seen one medium sized river that had a dam removed that the impoundment became a park/natural area with a fast flowing river now with smallmouth and walleye where there was only carp and northerns before. A big improvement. Removing Hoover dam tho. That has lots more to it than just electric. Water supply for alot of the S.W. comes from that dam. Trouble is alot of the S.W. would loose over 1/2 of its population if they had to reduce water and electrical power. But one big point is if you've ever been to Las Vegas its amazing to see all the water wasted while they complain about droughts and lack of water. I would think first step should be limiting electrical and water useage then look at dam removal.
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