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Beaver Snare Locks #7623115
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I have some 5/64" 1x19 snares with smoothie locks. Will these locks work okay for beaver? They seem awfully big compared to the mini pro locks I've used before. I've got a dozen of the mini pro locks, should I replace the smoothie locks?


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623209
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Will it catch beaver, it will do fine for that. i think you get more of a snare burn from the lock not getting as tight as it well as a lower profile lock does .

Just to save some people some time, the smoothie lock is basically a sure lock/bigger bmi mini lock.

Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623264
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I’ve used mini-cams, Newt’s Master lock, lo-pros, and the bigger cam locks (upsized mini-cams). They’ve all worked just fine on 5/64, 7x7 cable. At the recommendation of Newt and Dale Billingsley, I’m now setting my beaver snares on 10 ft extensions so the beaver is alive and up on the bank. They’re not stressed at all. Just waiting somewhere on the bank for me. This is on a 24-hour check.

My partner and I also use these same locks on his line but the snare is 40” long on a 9 ft drowning rod. I skin all of our beavers and there’s been no snare burns or gouges from the locks. Depending on the amount of twisting, I rarely have to cut the cable. If I can get a finger under the cable, I can generally back the locks off. Raccoons are another story!


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623273
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I use an Adams lock.
Make sure the hole matches the cable,oversized lock on cable=lousy lock up and worn hole.


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: Boco] #7623521
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Originally Posted by Boco
I use an Adams lock.
Make sure the hole matches the cable,oversized lock on cable=lousy lock up and worn hole.

That's because of the lock design and material

Not all locks are created equal.


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623524
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Originally Posted by We-Sa
I have some 5/64" 1x19 snares with smoothie locks. Will these locks work okay for beaver? They seem awfully big compared to the mini pro locks I've used before. I've got a dozen of the mini pro locks, should I replace the smoothie locks?



The size of the lock doesn't really matter . In some cases the heavier lock will help . As long as the snare closes smooth and fast , and actually locks. You will be fine.


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623577
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Hole locks must be matched closely to cable size if you want superior lock up performance,and be able to re use the lock many times before the hole wears.An oversized hole lock wont lock tight leaving the animal alive for longer(waterhead) which causes the ruination of the lock for re use(rounds off the sharp locking edge).
Wedge cams you can get away with a slight oversize because of the way the lock works.The wedge point locks the cable.
Where I am I prefer an adams lock of proper size for a couple reasons-less prone to freeze up,lower profile,cheaper,and equal locking power to a wedge cam if matched properly to the cable.
The wedge cam is superior when used with a kill spring for larger animals.

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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: Boco] #7623591
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Boco, very good Post well said!!!

Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623636
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I use the one that has teeth so it can't back out for beaver.

Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623638
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I’ve used the BMI Slide Free Lock with good results for beaver, which is the same design with a different name.

Not my favorite lock, but I’ll certainly use any snares I have already built with those locks

Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: Boco] #7623715
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Originally Posted by Boco
Hole locks must be matched closely to cable size if you want superior lock up performance,and be able to re use the lock many times before the hole wears.An oversized hole lock wont lock tight leaving the animal alive for longer(waterhead) which causes the ruination of the lock for re use(rounds off the sharp locking edge).
Wedge cams you can get away with a slight oversize because of the way the lock works.The wedge point locks the cable.
Where I am I prefer an adams lock of proper size for a couple reasons-less prone to freeze up,lower profile,cheaper,and equal locking power to a wedge cam if matched properly to the cable.
The wedge cam is superior when used with a kill spring for larger animals.


Again it depends on the lock design. Locks like the adams, slim lock and others similar, yes they have to be close to the same. I can run a 3/32 bmi minilock on 1/16 cable and most animals are dead without signs of a struggle. I have yet to see waterhead with this setup in a few thousand animals. From nutria to coyotes. Southern snare makes basically the same lock with a better angle, I have been switching over to those.

Granted, we don't have as thick of fur ... that makes a difference as well.

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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623717
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5/64 cable, I have found is not ideal for most snare locks without a spring. 1/16 cable is the best choice for a lethal snare here unless you are catching hogs.


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623796
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I think the reason some trappers believe an oversized hole lock is good,is because of the way it slides closed on their hand.
However-a properly made snare with a lock hole closely matchet to the cable closes equaly well IF THE SNARE IS CONSTRUCTED CORRECTLY.
From what I see most people do not know how to construct a snare that will close properly with a tight lock hole.They make up for this by going with an oversized lock.


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623815
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Tried to stay on track, but...On the subject of oversized snare locks, in my experience, whether or not oversized locks work well is dependent on the particular lock and how the snare is constructed.

Not all, but some lock designs seem to really need to be close in size, but SOME larger locks work very well. In my experience, Kieper style locks (kieper, BMI mini locks are a kieper design, etc), cam locks, and sure locks are 3 locks that seem to work fine with larger size locks. My example is hog snares. I like 1/8” kiepers, 1/8” cams, and 1/8” sure locks. I put them on 3/32” and 7/64” cable and they lock tight. Caught plenty by the nose and foot, plenty lethal snares too.


Adams locks are one of the few locks that I own but have never used. No experience with them.

Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: Boco] #7623880
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Originally Posted by Boco
I think the reason some trappers believe an oversized hole lock is good,is because of the way it slides closed on their hand.
However-a properly made snare with a lock hole closely matchet to the cable closes equaly well IF THE SNARE IS CONSTRUCTED CORRECTLY.
From what I see most people do not know how to construct a snare that will close properly with a tight lock hole.They make up for this by going with an oversized lock.


An oversized lock has more benefits than one that matches the size.

Yes, snare construction is crucial. If a trapper can't make a snare function to its fullest extent, they will never see the benefit of different size locks for different species. Snare construction should be based on the way an animal hits the snare. Not pushing down with your hand. This is where loading snares comes into play.


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: Boco] #7623891
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Holy cow, boy am I getting way more info than I expected. I'm going to have to read through this a couple of times to make sure I don't miss anything.


Originally Posted by Boco
Hole locks must be matched closely to cable size if you want superior lock up performance,and be able to re use the lock many times before the hole wears.


Are hole locks like Newts Slim locks or the Thin locks from Southern Snares?

The two beaver I mentioned in my other post were my first experience with snares and I'm hooked. I can see myself using them whenever there's an opportunity.


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Airport trapper said-
An oversized lock has more benefits than one that matches the size.


After 52 years of snaring,I totally disagree with this statement.

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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: Boco] #7623916
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Originally Posted by Boco
Airport trapper said-
An oversized lock has more benefits than one that matches the size.


After 52 years of snaring,I totally disagree with this statement.


That's fine.


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623920
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Some people get stuck in their ways. Nothing wrong with using what works for you. You are 100 percent correct when it comes to the adams lock.


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Re: Beaver Snare Locks [Re: We-Sa] #7623957
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We all want to do what the optimal thing for snaring, we cant always do that so you have to make do with the circumstances that we find ourselves in.

As to the dispatch springs on locks, I would imagine you can get away with a lot of things with them as long as get the animal caught around the neck. I can technically use them here for certain scenarios doing nuisance work but I've not found any circumstances that they;d be important.

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