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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623570
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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: Bogmaster] #7623581
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Originally Posted by Bogmaster
Not only was there a limit,seasons were short with almost no open water trapping.
Tom



And you had to tag each pelt!


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623585
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Do you think that eventually ..with residents alot not wanting to trap beaver because of the current market..that they'll open it to non residents due to over population..or will the state just lean more heavily on the USDA for beaver control?


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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623594
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Heck,the way things are going---once us old farts are gone--people will have to pay for all animal trapping.
There are very few young people to take our places. Fur trapping is heade in the same direction as the DO DO bird.
Tom


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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: Steven 49er] #7623596
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Donner, not even historically, when I was a child we had a limit on beaver. Tom is as old as the wind, he'd remember. I believe it was 10.




That's still 40 for a family of four...

Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: Bogmaster] #7623597
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Originally Posted by Bogmaster
Steven, I am thinking it was 1981. I was 30 that year and trapped bever close to home. It wasn't just a spring season--beaver opened in the fall along with the rat and mink openers.
Tom


This going to be an educated guess on my part but I believe it was an April 15 close at first. Essentially not a spring season for most of us. Couldn't trap within x feet of a house and
within x feet of a dam.


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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623599
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Just as a general intrest point-Ontario does not allow non resident trapping.I would be open to non residents(even yankees) being able to get a licence to trap as an 02 on a registered trapline here.
I was speaking with a trapping instructor in Hearst yesterday,he was saying he has never seen so many young people taking the trapping course.
And a lot are young women.
Trapping is alive and well here.

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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: 160user] #7623601
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Originally Posted by 160user
Originally Posted by Bogmaster
Not only was there a limit,seasons were short with almost no open water trapping.
Tom



And you had to tag each pelt!


I have a couple hundred of those tags......they were a pain cutting them off before grading.

There is another 4 letter swear word that cant be said with the non-resident issue. It begins with L and ends in K and unfortunately everyone uses the plural when saying it. for non target capture

Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: 160user] #7623605
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Originally Posted by 160user
Originally Posted by Bogmaster
Not only was there a limit,seasons were short with almost no open water trapping.
Tom



And you had to tag each pelt!


Here in WV we still have state all beaver caught in the state..


IF IDIOTS GREW ON TREES THIS PLACE WOULD BE AN ORCHARD !

Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623611
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Originally Posted by cathryn
Do you think that eventually ..with residents alot not wanting to trap beaver because of the current market..that they'll open it to non residents due to over population..or will the state just lean more heavily on the USDA for beaver control?

Difficult to say. It's been law for so long and there are people in office that don't want to change it for whatever reasons. I personally see no real good reason not to allow non-resident trapping. Hard to make any $ with today's fur and gas prices prices as a resident. Figure what it would cost for someone from out of state to want to trap Herr in MN is enough to deture that idea.


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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623616
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Cathryn, sorry to hijack your thread taking a trip down memory lane. I'll try to answer some of your questions from my perspective.

Originally Posted by cathryn
I am not posting this to cause an uproar.

I just have a couple questions.

I have a couple friends on here from Minnesota who haven't been able to go out of state to trap furbearers due to the restrictions on non resident trappers and theyre kinda upset.

According to them the majority of trappers from the northern part of
Minnesota are the trappers not wanting non reaident trappers.

Is this true?



I have been to district trapper meetings all over this state. One will find anti nonresident in every latitude. I'll speak in generalities here. I would surmise that the majority of trappers who are against changing the status quo are from north of US HWY 10. That is not the south of the north-south division of MN but seeing as every numbskull from the MSP area thinks that is "up north" I will go with it. There are quite a few people opposed who live in the central part of the state. I would say a better metric is forested areas vs agricultural areas.

Originally Posted by cathryn


I was also wondering if any of the rest of yall from MN feel that the restrictive laws on non resident trappers have impacted your ability to travel out of state to trap?



Of course it's impacted my ability to go out of state, I've said it more than once, the furthest I have trapped in state from my home is 350 miles or so. If I could trap a 350 mile radius from my home I would be able to trap ND, SD, MT, WI, MN, and a couple of Canadian provinces. What is worse is my daughter, son-inlaw and grandchildren who live out of state aren't able to come home and have the ability to meaningful trap with me other than riding around in the pickup. Technically they are not allowed to carry a trap to the site or a muskrat back to the truck. It's a dang travesty!!!! I'd have used a couple of cuss words if Paul permitted it.

Originally Posted by cathryn


Do yall ever think the DNR eill ever say..enoughs enough and override the restriction of non resident trappers?



The nonresident trapping ban is codified into law, it will take an act of the legislator and the signature of the governor to change the status quo. The DNR has little to do with it, they could come out and say for whatever reason they aren't in favor of a law change but at the end of the day it's a legislative decision. A couple of well placed legislators can have done more damage to trying to get a law change. Take it as a coincidence or not those two are from the northeast. Looking at it from solely the perspective of nonresident trapping initiatives, the two biggest obstacles are retiring this fall. Still won't be easy.

It will be interesting to see how long this thread lasts. Historically it isn't very long lol.


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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623619
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John, if you have some MN tags from different years, I'd be interested in some for my collection. Even more so if they somehow haven't been damaged.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: DHH] #7623625
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I am from NW ND and can't trap my farm because of this odd rule. ND residents of which I am formally, can't stand a lot of MN plates. The average rank and file hunter in ND is not a fan of more MN running around hunting and fishing. Trapping is an oversight but it gets caught up in that mindset too. MN non-resident trapping rule should be tweaked and allow a minimal amount of NR trappers in via a lottery. Allow them to trap coyotes, fox, muskrats, skunk, possum, mink and coon and then make cats, fisher, marten and beaver off limits to NR.

I have only one more year in MN and then I am off. The state is run by liberal idiots and making friends here is hard because everyone hangs out with their buddies from 7th grade. I will go to the MN Trappers Convention this year and renew my membership. It would be nice to sit in on a discussion from the MTA on the NR Trapping issue and see if there is any middle ground here.

Every state has odd rules that don't please everyone. In Iowa, NR landowners can't get a guaranteed bow tag every year and in Utah NR can put in for all the trophy one in a lifetime tags but residents can only put in for one.

Parochialism here in northern MN is something else. I once put a tree stand up in a tree in St Louis County on PUBLIC land. A few days later someone put a note on that tree upset with me for taking "his" tree. He left his number so I called it and had an interesting chat. Keep in mind, there was no tree stand in that tree but he felt it was his "Spot" and wanted me to move the stand. I told him I didn't care if he was conceived in that tree, I was not moving that stand. This was 18 years ago and my first year living here.

So NR trapping is just an extension of "this is my tree". Its makes me laugh its so (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) dumb.

Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623628
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Ok shall bring them down sometime.
Some are the cabin and you know where the keys are if your fishing Lake Winnipeg this winter. We are now going to change it to Ocean Winnipeg with all the water in it.

Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623632
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The chances of me entering Canada anytime soon is less than slim to none


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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623639
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I hope the thread doesn't get axed because someone gets stupid.

It's an interesting topic and there are others besides me who think that way.


It's crazy to me I could come hunt in MN if I wanted but can't set s trap.


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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: Steven 49er] #7623653
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
The chances of me entering Canada anytime soon is less than slim to none


OK I wont bring it up at the AGM then.Forgot about that sentiment down there.
Thought there might be some interest.

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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623670
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What two are retiring?


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Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623692
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Cathyrn. I grew up in MN. Served on the MTA board from 1989 to 1994. Wore a few hats. Non Resident trapping has been a sore topic. In 1992 it was brought to a vote then. Was shot down. When I moved to Ohio. In 2002. Now it is 2022. I have pretty much given up the fact that I will be able to trap in MN. I will never understand how on earth you would want to keep non resident trappers out. But when it comes time for a legislative law. This group is more then happy to except money from out of state trappers. I understand it is not all that want this law. But it has remained intact. So be it. I give to all trapping organization except MN. I won’t support anything that doesn’t support all trappers in the USA.

Re: Minnesota and reciprocity? [Re: cathryn] #7623695
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I would think the only residents upset would be those doing ADC work. Someone coming in and gaining possible work from a resident might cause some discontent.

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