Biden and his woke cronies started this entire mess we are in and yes I am blaming them.

But, it's his actions that have cost Americans more. Shutting down the Keystone Pipeline was something he did that is costing us more at the pump. Don't blame the Ukraine war as the cause either. Gas prices were going up before the war. The cost of fuel is one of the main causes of higher prices. The cost for diesel fuel for farmers in my area has doubled. Do we expect them to keep selling their crops for the same price? Truckers are experiencing the same thing. Are we to expect them to lose money by not raising their delivery prices when their cost of fuel has doubled? We were energy independent before he took office.

I work with a guy that has bought then traded every two years (sometimes only one year) since we’ve been working together for the last 24 years. He complains that he wished he could’ve retired once the election was over because we both knew the direction it was headed.
He’s had a $500-700 truck payment for the last 24 years! And what makes it worse is every time he got something new, his wife had to have something new, so say $1000-1400 every month for 24 years, lol. So $1200 x 288 months = $345,600. That’s just car payments.
I’m driving a 2000 F150 with 448K miles. No, I wouldn’t take it on a long trip, but it does just fine for an everyday vehicle. I don’t think my buddy has ever put over 10,000 miles on a vehicle since I’ve known him.
As far as an electric vehicle, maybe for putting around town or just driving back and forth to work, but that’s what they make golf carts for in my little community.

CNG is the way to go !


Friend has a Ford 350 with CNG. Gets his Natural Gas for FREE!, because he has a Natural Gas storage field on his property. In return for allowing the storage field on his property ; he gets FREE Natural Gas for his home and his truck!

Not a bad deal ..

You could make the trip on a bicycle and on foot also with no problems. That does not mean it's not inconvenient and requires special planning and allowances. Knowing where charging stations are and planing routes that go to them close enough together even it it's not the way you want to go and allowing hours to charge.

If the US converted OTR trucks to CNG, look at the petroleum we would save. The greenbeans would freak out because we would have to frac! I would love this plan, full speed ahead like landing a man on the moon. It can be done, and we would be truly energy independent.

For my day job I work in the manufacture of metallic auto parts, so I've listened to a lot of presentations by the automotive companies on e-mobility. Here are some basics:

Transportation accounts for about 10% of global carbon emissions. However, it's the piece that the consumer sees, so it's a very popular pitch for politicians.

100% e-vehicle is not practical, nor is any auto company assuming it will happen. First, there is not enough discovered copper to be recycled or mined to cover a global 100% electric fleet. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...mp;cvid=ae389e3b9e944fbdb4563d8c7758208c)

Driving range is an issue that is improving, but improving slowly. It's tough in a lot of places to take an electric vehicle across the Rockies, and the infrastructure would be slow to catch up.

100% consumer plug ins would require substantial grid improvements at the most local substations.

However ...

Automakers see a definite target with two-vehicle urban/suburban families, with the goal of selling them one e-vehicle and one ICE/hybrid. They believe that between urban consumer who don't travel far anyway and the two-vehicle homes, getting one-third of the developed world market to e-mobility by 2035 is realistic. Between the natural growth of the segment and the rising percentages, this makes for a sustainable business model.

The true zero emission solution would be fuel cells, but current technology does not allow them to be affordable nor safe in a collision. I see mixed answers on fuel cells replacing e-vehicles.

Tight range vehicles for public transportation and similar are very easy to cut over, and provide some of the justification for infrastructure build -- in urban areas only.


So if we listen to the market, and not the politicians, I think it's very fair to say that electric vehicles are very much part of the future. They aren't the absolute future. Microwaves didn't replace the kitchen range, but they reduced the reliance upon them. The microwave is your better choice for re-heating soup, the range is your best choice for cooking a turkey. The EV will probably be a better choice for a ten mile suburban commute, the ICE will be a better choice for a 300 mile vacation. You just have to block out the noise that implies combustion engines are disappearing. They'll be phased out in things like lawn equipment and power tools, but they aren't going the way of the dodo.

..... and the likelihood of waiting in line. Better carry along a lunch. Be like the Donner party waiting for the snow to melt.

They're actually really nice on a cross country trip Bernie. When you enter your desination the car will calculate where you need to charge and give you directions. As you approach the charging station, it will tell you how many charging ports are open and how long your charge will take. They're always, at least in my experience, right off the interstate. I have not yet waited for a charger and have not taken over 20 minutes. You have enough time to use a bathroom and get something to eat or drink. Your phone tells you how many minutes you have left. When you charge, you just take it and plug it in. The charger recognizes your car and charges your credit card. Most charges are about $15.00. If you're pulling a lot of miles in rural areas, these things are not there yet. They will be, but not yet.

I recently priced out a new Ford Lightning. I hung a bunch of options on it and the price came out to $45,000. I'm sure that was after tax rebates. You can go online and "build" one and they'll quote you a price. I don't really believe that price though, and it is a jump in price to get a longer range. I'm currently in Florida and my Tesla is in Montana but I wish I had it with me. I want to wait a bit, but I'll get an electric pickup for down here. Oh, and the home charger was $2500.00 and another $1000.00 or so to get it wired.

I can't see myself not owning a diesel pickup but I'm affraid of what is going to happen to fuel prices as EV's gain in popularity. My diesel won't be my daily driver. Every car manufacturer is tripping over themselves to develop EV technology and they're coming.

I work in the petroleum industry, installing tanks, pumps and complete builds on convienence stores. We've got more business than we can handle. Gasoline is not going away anytime soon.

PF,You obviously never drove across Canada,lol.

From what I’ve read, batteries can’t be recycled and are a hazardous waste like the lithium mine and over their lifetime, produce more CO2 than cars.

A new Lithium battery only costs $16,000.

can someone tell me how to activate the " ignore" button. Tks

Yep, Nessy, or the Chinese deciding to restrict lithium and other components to anyone they want, along with anything else they now own the production of.

JP, you’re trying to talk sense into someone who wants to believe their position is justified through some very creative bargaining on an unrelated topic. He could have also compared the cost of a ~$28K Nissan Leaf but that wouldn’t fit the agenda. Or talked about gas prices. But instead he is able to connect unrelated topics in a manner that mere mortals like you and me will never understand.

Bernie is correct. Electric vehicles aren't for everyone but their application is becoming greater. You don’t have to hate them just because you don’t understand them. I do love the meme about doubling the price of electricity. My coworker charges his Leaf for something like $1.25. Go ahead and double the price and his cost/mile will still be much lower than a gas vehicle.

Ther are allready rolling black outs because the grid can't Handel the current usage. In California they have asked people not to charge their cars some days. At the same time they are shutting coal power plants down. It's not hard to see its not a good combination.

Better do your homework before sign up for hose electric cars. NIGHTMARE in hiding

Climate change advocates push electric vehicles, arguing they help save the planet and save consumers money over time.

But one Florida family just learned that is not always true.
What happened?

Avery Siwinski, a 17-year-old from St. Petersburg, loved her electric Ford Focus. Her parents spent $11,000 on the used vehicle, a 2014 with 60,000 miles on the odometer. Siwinski described her wheels as "small and quiet and cute."

Then one day, just six months after her parents purchased the vehicle, it suddenly stopped working.

"In March, it started giving an alert," Siwinski told WTSP-TV. "And then we took it to the shop and it stopped running."

The car, according to mechanics, needed a new battery. Unfortunately, a local Ford dealership said replacing the battery will cost $14,000 — and that figure did not even include labor costs. The dealership even made an embarrassing offer of $500 for the vehicle.

But, according to Siwinski's grandfather Ray, the story gets worse.

Weeks after learning a battery replacement costs more than the car itself, Ray Siwinski learned owners of the electric Ford Focus cannot even buy replacement batteries. Ford discontinued production of the vehicle several years ago.

$80,000 pickups and pleased dont become a farmer, you dont even want to know what the machinery cost.

You watch the View? What a surprise!