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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7641580
08/03/22 07:10 PM
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What where your most popular lure lines u made?

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7641638
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Been watching this thread...I'd like to give a big THANK YOU to LT GREY! Coyote and beaver give me fits, but coyotes more than anything! I learn a little more every year, and just keep plugging away. BTW Yes sir your input/bantor has kept this from dying, thanks to you as well!


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7641677
08/03/22 10:04 PM
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Having seen first hand the area where 9 coyotes were caught in one night , I feel I should comment on the amount of stimulus involved. Itís really hard to believe until youíve seen it. In one section of fence about a hundred yards or less long and about 50 to 60 yards wide was more coyote scat than you could put in two 5 gallon buckets . If I remember right 4 snares were placed in the fence and ten foot holds were scattered about 10 yards wide and 70 to 80 yards long with the first and last set being snares . Every foot hold was a dirt hole with muskrat and a shot of urine on the backing. In two days 15 coyotes died along that fence, old and young alike. This was the end of January, so probably not too many dumb ones in the bunch. How many problem coyotes and wise coyotes died in those two days and the days that followed ? No really, how many ?

The simple fact is when youíve got that many coyotes using one area you might not be able to put out too much stimulation. Did the amount of stimulation cause any refusals? Thatís what the snares picked up .

Anyone ever seen a Casey Payne demo ?

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: Yukon John] #7641692
08/03/22 10:33 PM
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Thanks for the lure info LT. Nice to know You are a lure maker also. I think I know the answer to the Dog Pee question? The pee plus kickback = communication, territorial claim, warning, etc. etc. Lots of info in that fresh pee?

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642156
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Population dictates how greedy and territorial coyotes are, more coyotes the easier is it's to get them to respond. The opposite when theirs less. I agree it should only take one attractant, but some scents work best in combination. Urine won't cover mistakes or make an animal less cautious but when used in it's true intent it's deadly.

Great thread LT, you must be feeling better LOL.


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642278
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The guy that won the N.M. coyote trapping trapping contest used chicken bones from fried chicken in a dirt hole ........ and pee


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642338
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And won it , how many times ?

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: danny clifton] #7642363
08/04/22 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
The guy that won the N.M. coyote trapping trapping contest used chicken bones from fried chicken in a dirt hole ........ and pee

New Mexico coyote trapping contest?? Maybe we should have a = Tman coyote trapping contest?

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642375
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put one on. those apaches wanted a small fortune for an entry fee. get a few thousand acres lined up of deer leases or something. dont charge a bunch of money. maybe get an exemption or reduction in non resident license fees. or hold it wy. in a county with lots of predator control and ariel gunning. no license required. lots of public ground


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642614
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There are areas in WY where its tough to catch a half dozen in a week. You need to be on your game. That country will sort the typers from the trappers. Would make trapping for no money at great expense a lot of fun.

The indians set it up where two people teams were competing, and number of traps was limited, I think, to 50 traps per team.

I wonder if John Graham could put you in touch with some Wyomingites to help you get it going?

The guys just camped in the N.M. contest.

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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642664
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Phil Brown also won it multiple times. I think he had mentioned his son was his partner once, and his wife several times. Not sure if he reads in the Trapping Only section or not, but maybe he'll chime in.



Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: Carolina Foxer] #7642676
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I would enjoy the honor of competing against some of Tman best coyote trappers. Would like to see = 1000 dollar entry fee. Unlimited traps per man. No team stuff. Maybe 30 or 40 guys. BIG cunk of land. A 30 or 40000 dollar winner take all would make for a good prize !!

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: steeltraps] #7642715
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
I would enjoy the honor of competing against some of Tman best coyote trappers. Would like to see = 1000 dollar entry fee. Unlimited traps per man. No team stuff. Maybe 30 or 40 guys. BIG cunk of land. A 30 or 40000 dollar winner take all would make for a good prize !!

Provide me a side by side in location and I'm game grin


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642738
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Would have to be wy with no limits and 30-40 trappers else you would be tripping over each other


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: Wolfdog91] #7642739
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by steeltraps
I would enjoy the honor of competing against some of Tman best coyote trappers. Would like to see = 1000 dollar entry fee. Unlimited traps per man. No team stuff. Maybe 30 or 40 guys. BIG cunk of land. A 30 or 40000 dollar winner take all would make for a good prize !!

Provide me a side by side in location and I'm game grin

I think you would find the guys that relied on lure and left their urine at home would be headed back with their tail tucked between their legs whistle


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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642741
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30-40 guys running 150 200 mile lines will need a lot of room

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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: danny clifton] #7642742
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Would have to be wy with no limits and 30-40 trappers else you would be tripping over each other

Guys were tripping over each other in the coyote championship too...

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642751
08/05/22 09:53 AM
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I'd be intrested but personally would rather see a modest entry fee and modest pay. Trapping for the honor of winning it and the enjoyment of meeting other Tman members and less about the $. That kind of pay out would have people who aren't members join just to enter and the seriousness of that kind of pay out would tempt so to consider breaking
rules and also tempt some of accusing others of breaking rules. Option of going as a team or individual. 5 or 7 days of trapping by yourself half way across the country might not intrest alot of people and I personally don't see having a partner as a huge advantage but I would also limit the number of traps so that it wasn't just a contest about who can grind it out the hardest but more towards skill. It would also help with how much country u needed.

If we are serious we should start it's own thread.

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Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: LT GREY] #7642753
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I wonder how many teams they usually get in the NM one and is its still going on.?

Re: Upsetting the 'Apple' cart. . . [Re: danny clifton] #7642758
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
30-40 guys running 150 200 mile lines will need a lot of room

Right need some where SUPER large = 6666 Ranch is 350000 acres or so. King Ranch is almost 1 million. Dont know how big Mescularo is ? 1/2 million acres? Point is - somewherw massive. No limit on traps No team. Be the greatest contest ever = with the most coyotes EVER killed in a contest ! That would be worth it!!!

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