Re: Whole snake?
[Re: kytrapper]
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08/20/22 07:09 AM
08/20/22 07:09 AM
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I’ve had seven rattlers in a gallon jar two years. They’re broke down. Added castor, several food type oils, and getting ready to finish it. Thinking of Asafoetida and honey. Maybe make three different finished lures. Have six rattlers so far for another batch in a couple years. A friend of mine, Leon Smith, brought back a rattlesnake lure from Colorado when he retired as a govt. trapper. I got the last of it and it’s a good lure. I’m treating it as a food/curiosity type lure. Snake has always interested me in a lure. I can remember Mr. Macbeth’s big adds in the Fur Taker paper when I was a kid.
BTW, I’ll tell one on myself. First rattlers I had had the heads still on them. I stretched one out to behead and when I ran my hand down the snake it somehow forced open the mouth and I stuck a finger in a fang. It got pretty sore. Now their heads come off before I get started.
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Re: Whole snake?
[Re: kytrapper]
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08/21/22 02:40 PM
08/21/22 02:40 PM
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The snake base I use is the whole snake (rattlesnake) ground up.
It's a change up lure for sure.
Let me sugar coat this
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Re: Whole snake?
[Re: kytrapper]
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08/21/22 06:44 PM
08/21/22 06:44 PM
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I grind mine fresh, just keep adding to the buck. Age them right in the bait room and gets to some liquid on top. Just stir it once in awhile, but stays pretty thick.
I don't add S.B. till a year later.
Let me sugar coat this
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Re: Whole snake?
[Re: kytrapper]
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08/27/22 10:56 AM
08/27/22 10:56 AM
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I’m a very novice lure piddler. I cut my last batch up with skin and bones and let break down six months. After that time it was pretty rotten smelling and I stopped it with SB. I added castor first. That toned it down quite a bit. I am shooting for a strong food/curiosity smell so I also added gator oil, BTO, spoonbill oil and sac oil. It’s been simmering about two years and is completely broken down. Now, I’m getting ready to regrind and will try Asafoetida and honey in the first batch. It smells like an animal would look for it to me. Guess I’ll know later.
BTW I aged mine right in the fur shed from March to around Sept. I placed the glass gallon jar in a heavy black zip tied trash bag to keep out flies.
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Re: Whole snake?
[Re: kytrapper]
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08/28/22 08:52 PM
08/28/22 08:52 PM
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I knew Floyd back in the late 70's. We talked a good bit over the years. I met him at the NTA, ( 1978 ) where he was selling his 'snake oil' trapping lures. He could have done a lot more with it than he did. Top oil, mixed with urine and a few musks. Very basic. It worked, but heck, what won't on a Texas coyote ?
Use the whole snake, gutted, ground. I always skin mine, but most of the fat , ( which is where we get oil ) comes off on the skin. A common kitchen spoon will scrape it off easily.
Floyd was a snake oil salesman. . .yep, that he was !
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Re: Whole snake?
[Re: E.J. Kelley]
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08/30/22 06:04 PM
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Youre on target Lazarus. Watch a bull snake get hit on the road. Nothing eats it. A rattler gets hit and its gone in short order. Wiley Carol would just put a dead rattler in a soup can, bury it and catch coyotes. I watched Billy Taylor (third generation government trapper and traps Wiley's old country) make that set. Get a soup can, clean it out, and put a 3-4" chunk of rattlesnake in it. Bend over the open end and put a flat rock on the can against a small backing with a trap out front. The snake keeps "gassing" for weeks and any coyote worth his salt will stop and try to dig it out. No other lure needed. Real good set for coyotes that have seen all the other sets. The set was made to "age" (i.e. not go near it except close enough to see if a catch had been made) and get better as time went on.
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Re: Whole snake?
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09/01/22 10:17 AM
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Yes sir
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It doesn’t get any easier then that . As for my stinking garter snakes I can’t help but think they would be great at a rub post. We often hear of guys using a rub set for cats , any reason to think it would not work for coyotes ? I tested a rub set this spring. 2 locations: a stick about the diameter of ur thumb 12" out of the ground. Fish oil base with a couple of other ingredients that get a strong rolling response. A proven lure coyotes will really dig for. First week I had 5 coyotes approach but wouldn't get within 5 foot of stick. After a week I put a shot of urine at the base and got three coyotes to come up and sniff it with one rubbing on it. My guess is either the stick made them nervous or the odor up off the ground did. This was in areas I had been regularly testing and not seeing any negative reactions to anything in a dirt hole. Very limited testing but those were my results But from some responds I've got from other trappers about some of my other tests I'm starting to believe my coyotes are lying to me.
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Re: Whole snake?
[Re: Lazarus]
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09/04/22 07:35 PM
09/04/22 07:35 PM
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Youre on target Lazarus. Watch a bull snake get hit on the road. Nothing eats it. A rattler gets hit and its gone in short order. Wiley Carol would just put a dead rattler in a soup can, bury it and catch coyotes. I watched Billy Taylor (third generation government trapper and traps Wiley's old country) make that set. Get a soup can, clean it out, and put a 3-4" chunk of rattlesnake in it. Bend over the open end and put a flat rock on the can against a small backing with a trap out front. The snake keeps "gassing" for weeks and any coyote worth his salt will stop and try to dig it out. No other lure needed. Real good set for coyotes that have seen all the other sets. The set was made to "age" (i.e. not go near it except close enough to see if a catch had been made) and get better as time went on. Sould like a simple and effective set. Unfortunately can use it here, ratters are protected, go figure.
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