Just where is the line between being a "Good Person" and a Devout Christian"? Asking because Im always a day late and a dollar short.

By faith looking foward.

See my post above ^^^

The beginning and the end of this discussion is about "Justice". When they sinned in the garden God had told them they would die. Still yet he dressed them with the animal skin signifying the shedding of blood (the life or soul is in the blood). God is not bound by His own laws but was honoring the blood for blood law. Adam died, the only Justice would be for a blood for blood sacrifice for him as he was in his original condition when he was made. The shedding of animals blood was a substitute for the coming of a Second Adam which was of equal value of the first Adam. Justice is trading for like kind. Up until the Second Adam gave the ultimate sacrifice they practiced and showed their faith with the animal sacrifice believing unto the coming of the actual sacrifice. Since they couldn't go to Heaven without the ransom being paid they went to Abraham's bosom that being the highest place in the underworld (Hades). They were not forgotten and the Second Adam did come and fulfill the law and bring them out.


The Second Adam came and stayed in His original condition (sinless and with out flaw) such as the first Adam was made. He gave blood for blood and life for life for Adam and his pitiful heirs. Thus covering our sin as the animal skin in the Garden signified. Now we partake in Communion looking for His coming back.
After His coming back and the believers will be taken out and there will be a millennium period in which the animal sacrifice will be reinstated as in Ezekiel. That will be because there will be children still being born during that time and they will be looking and believing back with the animal blood sacrifice much the same as those Old Test Saints were looking and believing forward.
That scripture is a stumbling block for the animal lovers. They will say there is no need for the animal sacrifice, thus showing they do not believe Ezekiel and his prophecy.

The way to Heaven has been paid, its my personal belief God will not make someone who rejects the sacrifice go against their will kicking and screaming to Heaven not wanting to go.

I know I've covered a lot of ground and only hit the high spots and indulged more in justification than regeneration and sanctification, so feel free to comment in any way.

This is one of those things that really does not keep me up at night

Joy comes in the morning.

No matter what anyone of us says, it is all speculation.

Romans 4 talks about that exact issue. It talks about how Abraham trusted God, and it was credited to him as righteousness, and, Abraham's righteousness came before circumcision, not after. In other words, circumcision was a sign of his righteousness and faith, meaning to he good works came as a result of faith. Romans 4 also talks about how, if good works save us, out "wages" (eternal salvation) are not credited to us as a gift, but as an obligation.

The bible does teach that we warm rewards in heaven, it seems to talk about the "greatest " and the "least in heaven". But earning various rewards in heaven is a separate issue from being gifted a trip to heaven in the first place.

Unless the Creator gave a an owners manual for our walk on earth and sent us a representative to teach us his plan.
Ask yourself why the disciples chose to put themselves through the things they went through? It wasn't for money or power or fame. Maybe it was because they seen the truth. Only reasonable explanation I can come up with. When you create a goal for your children do you keep it a secret and not share it with them and expect them to achieve it without any knowledge of what the goal is? I doubt our Creator and Heavenly father would do it either.

A atheist would not make it. The Bible tells you even Jesus Christ tells you read John 14:6.the last line BY ME.

Are you saying no matter how good of a life an atheists lives they will rot in the same he** as Hitler and other extremely horrible beings are doing time. If a 10 year kid doesn’t believe in God, will God condemn him to an eternity of horror.

You live, then you die. Done deal same as a coon. No use wasting time hoping for more every Sunday. You have one short life so use it wisely.

Are you saying no matter how good of a life an atheists lives they will rot in the same he** as Hitler and other extremely horrible beings are doing time. If a 10 year kid doesn’t believe in God, will God condemn him to an eternity of horror. [/quot

Yes I am! This is about FAITH NOT GOOD WORKS. Christ has done the last good work by giving his life going to the cross. Otherwise if a person can do good work then Jesus could of bypassed the cross.
Kids don't get judge by Christ to they reach the age to know between good and bad.

Doesn't seem to be any justification for any kind of morality if that's the case. If it benefits u and u want to do it and u can get away with it why not go for it? Live life to the fullest. That's how animals live.

Everyone knows John 3:16, you can't watch a ballgame without seeing it, that's as far as they read. Keep reading down through verse 21. Modern American Christianity has only painted half the picture. God is indeed a God of love but He is angry with wicked every day. Who are the wicked?

Faith is an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Also, the Catholic Church says the age of reason is seven years old and anything they do after that age is to be judged by God as good, bad or evil. So I guess the 10 year old atheist I mentioned is condemned to doom and gloom. By the way, I believe in God.

Everyone has their own beliefs and I don't knock anyone for believing in anything they want. I went to a catholic school for 8 years and honestly it pushed me further away than anything. I do appreciate the guys on here that are by the book because if you believe in something it should be a strict belief. My personal experience with the catholic church I belonged to and the archdiocese of st.louis is that they are willing to bend and change their beliefs and rules to keep people coming. I also think it has to do with this world getting softer and softer I don't think the kids of today would stick around for the old school stuff. I steered away because I won't stand for change in the church it is what it is or it's not at all. You are in or you are out but you have to believe in it in the first place. I personally would be fine with going to the earth.

Grandpa Trapper

If I may ask where do u find the beliefs or truths about God that you hold to?

The Devils believes in God also so what does that prove?

So would you Christians be angry, or at least dissapointed, if God let good atheists and other good people who though Jesus Christ was just another fairy tale, into heaven?

Keith