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Walleye101
I think it is good to have honest debates (among believers) about "open-handed" issues; after all "iron sharpens iron". But when a few prominent people get dogmatic on an issue that can't be supported biblically it just makes all of us look foolish. I think we can agree on that.

Definitions;
Open-handed issues.
Things like; the age of the earth, predestination vs freewill, cultural issues on things that are not biblically prohibited, etc..

Close-handed issues, God is the Creator, Jesus is God incarnate, Jesus took the penalty of our sins upon himself, Jesus rose from the dead, etc..

Depending on the method used, Those results may be within the margin of error the given method.
You don't see carbon dates reported as a number like 33,450,012 years.

I should not ask this but I will anyway. When people talk about the ark they always talk about animals by twos but I am pretty sure there was a different count for a different type of animal? I am speaking of clean and unclean.

Did you not read the Bible, anything is possible with God!!

It's easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven, but anything is possible with God.

The Bible is never wrong where it touches on science. Not in hydrology, biology, cosmology or anything else it touches on.

True. But then, on the other hand, Jesus did say that he spoke in parables so that people on the outside would NOT understand what He was saying, otherwise they mihgt believe and repent.
‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”

I too have doubts about a lot of what is put forth as fact about dinosaurs. It often seems to me that I'm given lots of information about a particular species of dinosaur - when it lived, what it ate, how it reproduced, how its skin was textured and how fast it could run. I'm shown a graphic model of it in a dioramic setting to show what color it was and the habitat in which it lived. Then when I read more about the details I find out that they extrapolated all this from three small pieces of fossilized bone. Things like that make me very skeptical!

I know there's a lot of very smart scientists out there. But I believe a lot of them (even "intelligent design" or "young earth" proponents) speculate about things and then put forth their conclusions as irrefutable fact. Anyways... dinosaur fossils are interesting and worth exploring. But, they really aren't that important to modern existence or our way of life. It's quite amusing, but none of it really makes any difference to what I'm going to do today or tomorrow.

I'm a young earth believer. There is so much unexplained. When the flood happened if you take the Bible literally there was world wide cataclysmic happenings. It says mountains were made flat and flat places were raised up. I believe the world was very different than it is now. I believe in dinosaurs - I just think they were left on the earth by God instead of having them enter the ark or maybe they were on the ark but did not survive long afterword. There's a stone river bed out west that has dinosaur tracks and human tracks together petrified into the stone. Why not? We accept the people who say '' millions and millions of years ago'' but when someone like me says they think the earth is not that old we are called crazy. In my onion it is all about faith. You can have faith in God or faith in nature or faith in your own ideas. I look at the piles of dead dino bones in the west as proof of a great flood drowning them. People studying them say it looks like they were all washed there at the same time. As trappers we see all the secret places and things others do not get to see. We are part of nature. We are the top preditor. I just believe God is in charge of it all.

This is like the big bang theory; What went bang?

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I mentioned it way earlier in this thread, but this story of human and dinosaur track together has been debunked. The person who originally "found" them admits that he chiseled their outlines a bit in order to make them "easier to see".

Furthermore, and to his credit I might add, John D. Morris - son of the late Henry Morris (Institute of Creation Research) - agrees that those are not human tracks in what has become known as the "Paluxy River foot prints" .
here's a link.
https://drmsh.com/those-alleged-human-footprints-mixed-with-dinosaur-tracks-in-paluxy-tx/

If you believe the creation account in the Bible, you're forced to believe Adam walked with dinosaurs. There was no death before Adam sinned.

Exactly. And there is PLENTY of scientific evidence that humans and animals were on the earth at the same time.

I believe the Bible. All of it.

Why if everything is predestined would sin matter.
Maybe God created and destroyed those dinosaurs on one of those 24 hr days the sun wasn't yet.

We are forced to believe? I guess Calvin had scripture that forced babies to be baptized and ended up in some men getting hanged?

Oh Man! The lengths people go to! Thanks!

This is what really happened

Salvation wouldn't be an issue if not for sin. The doctrine of election scares the daylights out of some and brings great comfort to others. I'm in the latter.

Problems with theory of evolution

Not entirely on the subject, but a great talk i lessened to while fletching arrows on how the theory of evolution has many problems. I never heard this before, but I might of had my mind changed. Lots to learn.

I don't really beleive in much these days. I do beleive in dinosaurs though and I have a hard time wrapping my head around God when it means different things to different people and cultures. I've started in the AA program many years ago and they talk of a higher power. Being non religious I have a hard time understanding this and instead quit drinking by believing in myself. So far so good.

Wayne,
You have quite a negative opinion on the providence and sovereignty of God. We all do until the day we're called and born again.
As a chaplain who deals with all sorts of grave situations, I'd guess you have some junk in the trunk that is flavoring your opinion, which is not atypical.
In fact, it's rather commonplace.

As far as Dinosaurs, I never met one and I don't care. From so long ago and yet people still argue about who/what/when.

As far as scientific evidence being found in the Bible, that's not what the Special Revelation from God for us was meant for.
It's inspired and authored to reveal the Story and Character of God.

Blessings,
Mark

^^^^^
Amen!