so we were talking with a friend who was telling us about the new ATF pistol brace rule change , we can get into that later but , they estimate 20-40 million braced pistol in US civilian hands .

wait what 5-10% of all guns are braced pistols , can that be . well when you start asking that question you have to ask the how of they estimate the number of guns in the USA

so a couple years ago they estimated 410 million and that does seem like a big number figuring with sales the last couple years we have to be over 425 million because they said 21 million guns just in 2020 were sold

well we got thinking and I think I found where they got that number from
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view
if you think about this , this is the number of Nic's searches and while some guns get bought and sold and bought and sold that is likely a minority , this also doesn't take into account you bought 2+ at a time my biggest transfer ever was 13 and yes it did take more than one form but ATF said cool one Nics even if it is multiple forms.

so a much more realistic number is since Nov 1998 434 million
unless a gun was resold via a dealer after that date nothing before Nov 1998 counts in that number

we are looking at more like 800 million possibly a Billion guns

sure some become un-usable over time and some used in crimes are destroyed

but also think none of the guns the ATF, or police departments lost or were stolen from gun shops or stolen from police/alphabet agency lost or failed to destroy when they had a guy selling them from the ATF destruction site to the black market

nothing in dealer inventory counts ,nothing in SOT inventory counts , nothing curio and relic counts , nothing after the first gun on a Nics search counts and nothing bought or sold before Nov 1998 counts and nothing home built counts in that 434 million number.

Did they count all the seized guns Eric Holder gave the cartels that ended up back in the US?

probably not

The majority of the guns that I own were purchased before 1998

As far as I'm concerned, they have no business knowing how many guns are out there.

Yeppers. But I think they may find out if they cary on like this

I have 7 guns, if 7 of my guns got confiscated how many would I have left?

30! I lied about the 7!

You lost yours on the boat too huh?

I don’t think it matters how many I have. They have to get the one out of my hands before they can get the others.

Thay sell salvage magnets and they work for recovery of such things. Ask me how I know?

It was a raft...

nothing personal, but I HATE this kind of thinking.

if it gets to THAT point, you might as well turn 'em in...you won't be able to USE them. (your neighbor or nephew will turn you in for a $25 gift certificate to "Rats R Us")

better to to try to prevent that from happening in the first place.

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” Winston S. Churchill

White Marlin it's never a good idea to keep all your eggs in one basket. Just last week dropped my basket of eggs and all but a few were cracked and busted.

Not having all your assets in one location and having multiple back ups is always a good idea.

“How many guns?”

0

Joe says that's silly because the government has nukes, so your gun is worthless against his nukes. Can you imagine if Trump would have threatend to use nukes on US citizens?

...and F-15s lol!

The f 15s didn't work against goat herders living in caves. Joe left with his tail between his legs. Wonder how that would work out when the opposition lives on the same continent, blends In and is well equipped.

I'm guessing the intelligence they display suggests that has not occurred to them. And they seem to think a guy in a Buffalo hat unarmed was scary.

I think you're missing my point...

yet all of congress was scared poop less of unarmed , mostly peaceful protesters standing in the building , and have been prosecuting to the fulllllllllest extent of the law to make sure to discourage any repeat.

Posturing ?