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Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7674577
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Few people will actually shoot it enough to need maintenance or have parts fail. The cost of ammo will prevent that for most.
I think the average shooter or hunter may shoot a few boxes a year if that of center fire rifle ammo. Few shoot over 500 to 1000.
Sight it in or a few shots to check zero each year and they are good.

If I bought one of these I would buy extra parts that are specific to this model. You never know when something will be discontinued or not be allowed to be sold due to government restrictions. Does made a smaller model for a.while don't know if they still do?

From that video it was not showing enough accuracy for me to get excited about.

Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7674578
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They are really neat rifles, I bought one last week. The manual says to expect stoppages until the rifle is broken in, in the first magazine I had 17 failures to feed or eject, in the second magazine I had 4 and 0 in the third magazine all with the adjustable gas block set on 3 per Ruger’s instructions. The manual said break in should take between 100 and 200 rounds then you can set the gas block to 2.

Also when I cleaned it prior to firing there was a lot of oil in the bore and chamber, obviously not an issue but just something to be aware of as it could have caused issues had I not cleaned it prior to shooting. I put a 4x12 Leupold on it for initial testing.

I shot 40 rounds of M80 ball ammo (S&B manufacturers) it is not terribly accurate out of anything but I bought several cases years ago when such stuff was really cheap and it is reliable ammo so it makes good plinking ammo. I then shot 4 5 round groups at 100 yards using Federal Gold Medal Match ammo, the 168 grain load. I don’t have my notes handy right now but the average for the 4 groups was1.9 something inches. If this rifle is consistent with other rifles that I have used with an adjustable gas block accuracy should improve when the settings are turned down.

Recoil of the rifle was mild and it stayed relatively flat during recoil so follow up shots would be quick, the muzzle brake is very effective but also very loud. For me the jury is still out on this rifle right now, if it turns out to be reliable and the accuracy improves as it is broken in, it will make a good all around rifle, time will tell.

Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7674632
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Interesting video and reports.

It looks like it would make a nice hog gun for the truck.

For black 308s, I shoot Daniel Defense and Wilson Combat. The Daniel Defense is a solid weapon. The Wilson Combat is also solid and very, very accurate.

But I am a fan of Ruger and will definitely be watching.

Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7674639
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I got home and looked at my notes the average for the 4 groups was 1.72 inches not 1.9. Obviously, ammo has the potential of much greater accuracy, it is a 1/2 inch load in a couple of my rifles. We will see how the Ruger pans out after I am able to back the gas setting down to 2.

Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7674696
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There is no doubt there are some extremely accurate AR pattern 308 rifles out there, Daniel Defense and Wilson have been mentioned, then there is LaRue, and Knights Armament some of the Sigs do well as well and I am sure there are others that I don't have experience with, but the thing is they are all 10 to 12 pound rifles bare and cost considerably more than 1000 dollars where as the Ruger will come in at about 8.5 pounds with a full size optic and full magazine. As of right now I am not real happy with the accuracy of the Ruger but I am going to put some more rounds through it and get it broken in per their instructions, get the gas turned down to 2 and see what it does then. If it doesn't improve from where it is at right now, I don't know if I will keep it or not, I guess I will just have to wait and see. But realistically of the dozens of deer I have killed, only one has been past 200 yards and probably 95 percent of them have been under 100 so the accuracy at present is more than adequate for that and most of the pigs I have shot have been inside 50. But right now it is not a 300 yard coyote rifle and would be marginal for deer much farther than that. I guess we will see. Oh something I forgot to mention is that I am left-handed and the ejected cases often hit me in the face, if this doesn't straighten out when the rifle is broken in it will be finding a new home.

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Got a question for you ar gurus. Is it necessary to hold the gun sideways to hit anything? In the video he holds it at an angle. Or is he in Rambo mode or is that street thug technique?if it’s upright will it jam . Never owned one so just asking .

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Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7674705
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When I see guys commenting about how much better their bolt actions are I cant help but wonder what they would say if they had huge sounders of feral hogs all over. I love my bolt guns too but in hog country I do love having a follow up shot ready and sometimes even a 3rd. Until you spook them you'd never beleive how fast hogs get to cover. A .308 auto would be a great thing to have checkin pastures


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Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: jbyrd63] #7674707
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Got a question for you ar gurus. Is it necessary to hold the gun sideways to hit anything? In the video he holds it at an angle. Or is he in Rambo mode or is that street thug technique?if it’s upright will it jam . Never owned one so just asking .


depends on your qualifications.... smile


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Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7674714
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Nice gun. Don’t buy it with a Visa card they agreed a week or so ago to keep track of all firearms sales for big brother


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Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: Leftlane] #7674722
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
When I see guys commenting about how much better their bolt actions are I cant help but wonder what they would say if they had huge sounders of feral hogs all over. I love my bolt guns too but in hog country I do love having a follow up shot ready and sometimes even a 3rd. Until you spook them you'd never beleive how fast hogs get to cover. A .308 auto would be a great thing to have checkin pastures


Agree. I carry one in the truck and use it often on the piggies.

Re: Don't open if you don't want to buy another gun. [Re: jbyrd63] #7674734
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He is using off set sights from the scope this allows you to use open sights for close range targets but still allowing you to use a traditional scope. It has nothing to do with the function of the rifle, you mainly see those set ups in 3 gun competitions where the targets can range from 10 feet to 500 yards and your time to shoot the course impacts your score.
Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Got a question for you ar gurus. Is it necessary to hold the gun sideways to hit anything? In the video he holds it at an angle. Or is he in Rambo mode or is that street thug technique?if it’s upright will it jam . Never owned one so just asking .

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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Got a question for you ar gurus. Is it necessary to hold the gun sideways to hit anything? In the video he holds it at an angle. Or is he in Rambo mode or is that street thug technique?if it’s upright will it jam . Never owned one so just asking .


if you look carefully when he is holding it at a 45 degree angle he is shooting with his 45 degree offset backup Irons

when you want to build a gun to transition fast from a few yards to several hundred yards you often run an offset optic or irons

turning the gun 45 degrees is faster than changing the dial on the scope and keeps both hands in the shooting position


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Originally Posted by Pawnee
Nice gun. Don’t buy it with a Visa card they agreed a week or so ago to keep track of all firearms sales for big brother


not thrilled about that but when you start competing and your name is on a public score board or you have instructor credentials , I am already a marked man.

maybe you already have some NFA items , you are already on file at he ATF

best I can do at this point is train a bunch of kids and other people to shoot well pay cash and be grey men


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AT 300 YARDS !!!!! DANG I want one 1:11 in video . Yes left lane I have said on MANY occasions that they would be great for hog hunting !!! Mow them down. But where I live and how I hunt I have no use nor desire for one. But looks like fun and good luck .

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Originally Posted by Leftlane
When I see guys commenting about how much better their bolt actions are I cant help but wonder what they would say if they had huge sounders of feral hogs all over. I love my bolt guns too but in hog country I do love having a follow up shot ready and sometimes even a 3rd. Until you spook them you'd never beleive how fast hogs get to cover. A .308 auto would be a great thing to have checkin pastures

yes it would

can't speak for piggies myself only ones I ever shot were domestic and point blank

a few times now I have shot 2 deer within a second or two of each other in the one county I hunt they give out a lot of doe tags
we each had 5 one year that meant we had 40 doe tags and 8 buck tags amongst us
we shot 5 we just didn't have the space for 48 well or the opportunity.

3 could be interesting ,but I feel like if you have to focus on shooting them too the ground rather than just putting one round in each and tracking multiple blood trails you owe it to your crew to shoot them to the ground and save the time of trailing deer as it eats up hunting hours fast.


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I would think that 16" barrel would be mighty loud. Wasn't the 308 designed for a longer barrel to take advantage of complete powder burn ?

How is it different functionally than the M1A ?


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Originally Posted by white17
I would think that 16" barrel would be mighty loud. Wasn't the 308 designed for a longer barrel to take advantage of complete powder burn ?

How is it different functionally than the M1A ?


Yes and yes.

All of my AR 10's are 16 inches but I suppress them and handload.

At this point, everything I shoot (except for shotguns) is suppressed.

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Originally Posted by white17
I would think that 16" barrel would be mighty loud. Wasn't the 308 designed for a longer barrel to take advantage of complete powder burn ?

How is it different functionally than the M1A ?


16 inch 308 is loud and blasty and the muzzle brake on this is going to make it loud in 20 in and louder in 16 inch not to mention your going to want to get that break out the window of the blind , standing anywhere other than right behind the shooter of a break is just plane no fun
but it does a good job of reducing felt recoil
nearly 50% reduction depending on the gun

how is id different than the M1A
for the user insert mag , pull handle remove safety , pull trigger and it fires till your out of ammo

AR free fall mag rather than the rock and lock of the M1A
the SFAR is Direct impingement like the AR-15 so the gas goes all the way to the bolt and pneumatically moves the bolt carrier where the because of the venting it appears it doesn't put gas back in the shooters face like some other ARs
the M1A is a piston that drives the op rod that pushes the bolt carrier all the gas is vented under the upper hand guard

so while mechanically very different from the M1A the SFAR should be a softer recoiling 308 rifle with less muzzle climb with much greater room to mount optics and accessories that when the dust cover is closed is less open to the elements and blowing debris
and be 2 pounds lighter than a 16 inch barrel Socom M1A in the 16 inch barrel version.

so if you could have a lighter recoiling M1A with a 2 pound weight reduction and lots of rail space , that sent the sent the same 308 Win cartridge. that would be sort of a dream that about everyone has dreamed while carrying one.


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Originally Posted by Leftlane
When I see guys commenting about how much better their bolt actions are I cant help but wonder what they would say if they had huge sounders of feral hogs all over. I love my bolt guns too but in hog country I do love having a follow up shot ready and sometimes even a 3rd. Until you spook them you'd never beleive how fast hogs get to cover. A .308 auto would be a great thing to have checkin pastures

It wasn’t a huge sounder, but I dropped 4 out of 5 and all 4 fell within 15yds from each other and that’s the farthest one to the closest. I know for a fact I couldn’t do that with a bolt action in the area I had to shoot before they disappeared. Guess a lot has to do with the order they are shot too.

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