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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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It would take more energy to turn the alternator then the alternator can create. You would also lose some in friction, heat lose, and in charging the battery. Entropy.  It's not what it used to be.  
 
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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^^^^^ Of course if you pay just a little attention, and connect the dots, it's pretty obvious that their goal is control of the masses; movement, speech, thought, etc.. Right. It's all about government control.  
 
  
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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If i recall correctly all modern trains are electric powered by diesel generators. In most of the world there electric via overhead power cables. Electric transportations is great with fathoms of torque. The problem lies in how to store and deliver that energy. In the western world we went with the easier faster option of making the user to find and pay the costs instead of a governing body. 
  Ketchup or catsup, were still using energy to move stuff. 
  Would you like to upgrade your ev truck with a extended range option? It shows up with a 45kw generator in the bed. 
 
  
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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I  think  the  disconnect  is  that  a lot of people don't  understand  that batteries   STORE  energy.  They  produce  nothing. The  alternator can  produce  energy   but requires  more energy  INPUT  than  it  can  OUTPUT Perfect explanation. I will never understand why we don't just move on to using propane as all our city buses do here? In the long run they would be less  harmful to the environment than the electric cars when you consider the harmful effects to the environment to produce EVs. There are numerous reports showing how little negativity the propane-powered vehicles cause the environment compared to gasoline-powered vehicles. They're certainly more practical that EVs. That is if the real goal is to save the environment. Propane or LNG are still "fossil fuels". They want all fossil fuel use eliminated.  
 
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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I  think  the  disconnect  is  that  a lot of people don't  understand  that batteries   STORE  energy.  They  produce  nothing. The  alternator can  produce  energy   but requires  more energy  INPUT  than  it  can  OUTPUT Perfect explanation. I will never understand why we don't just move on to using propane as all our city buses do here? In the long run they would be less  harmful to the environment than the electric cars when you consider the harmful effects to the environment to produce EVs. There are numerous reports showing how little negativity the propane-powered vehicles cause the environment compared to gasoline-powered vehicles. They're certainly more practical that EVs. That is if the real goal is to save the environment. "  In the theoretical process known as stoichiometric combustion, none of the original fuel remains, so stoichiometric combustion of propane with air creates not only water, or H2O, but also  carbon dioxide, C2O2, as well as pure nitrogen, N2, and oxygen, O2." Carbon Dioxide is the enemy of " they". You know," them". Most of the electric run passenger trains in Europe are owned by their governments and are money losers. "EU rail subsidies amounted to €73 billion in 2005.[35] Subsidies vary widely from country to country in both size and how they are distributed, with some countries giving direct grants to the infrastructure provider and some giving subsidies to train operating companies, often through public service obligations. In general long-distance trains are not subsidized." Sounds about like EV's  
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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[/quote]Propane or LNG are still "fossil fuels". They want all fossil fuel use eliminated. [/quote] They don't care about fossil fuels being eliminated until they make the vehicles that use the most fuel ev. Meaning I'll believe it when airplanes, helos, and military vechiles are elec! 
 
  
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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So is a lithium battery recyclable or just disposable? I have enough trouble getting rid of old tires let alone a hazardous battery. 
 
  
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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So is a lithium battery recyclable or just disposable? I have enough trouble getting rid of old tires let alone a hazardous battery. I think eventually they'll just explode!  
 
  
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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Rogers Ark. airport doesn't want Chevy Volts in their parking garage. Apparently there was a pwobwem.     
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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Entropy.  It's not what it used to be.     lol    I have said the same thing, If they would have a small tire type object riding against the car tires turning the alternator and you had one on each tire charging the batteries. You may still have to charge the batteries but it would help.
  People need to think outside the box. I would think a couple of smart engineers and a couple of machinist they could come up with some thing. Only works if your driving down hill or decelerating.  Question is, how did you get to the top of the hill to gain all that potential energy?  
 
  
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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Why can't they have an alternator like our gas cars to keep the batteries charged.  No need for charging stations.  I think it's all bs to tax us more.   I think it is a great idea. Why don't you push it through to development?  
 
  
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Re: Electric cars.  Riddle me this.
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Technology is pretty amazing. I do see a place for EVs in areas where people aren't driving long distances like in the cities. Now everyone will have to put in a generator to charge them. 
 
  
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