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28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready #7682328
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I finally scored some TPS28 wads and some Fiocchi primed hulls so I'm almost ready to turn my little Stoeger O/U into a turkey gun. I think the only thing I need now is the tungsten shot.

My shotgun came with an IC and Mod choke. I expect to load some typical 3/4-7/8 oz loads and was wondering what choke typically gives a good pattern for turkey out to 40 yds? I know it will "depend" but was thinking I had heard that non-toxic shot loads usually have a better (tighter) pattern with the more open chokes than lead shot?

I think I can get a full choke from Stoeger but I don't know what the others (Briley, Indian Creek...) offer.

I was also thinking those fiberoptic sights that clamp onto the vent rib might be kind of cool and give me a little more elevation and/or windage if I needed it. Does anyone have any experience with those? Thoughts?


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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7682331
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I tagged out with my tss handloads and 28 gauge this year (here comes jbyrd telling me I did it wrong)

Do you know what thread pattern the stoeger OU takes? Indian creek does make their chokes for a 28 gauges and that is what I recommend

I would load a heavier load if I was you. You want as many pellets as possible to make it a quick efficient kill. Both birds I shot this year did not even flop.

My choice load is a 1-3/8oz load of #9 tss but I have loaded up to 1-5/8 oz. Here is an indian creek pattern for you

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As for the sights, having adjustable sights is crucial for most guns shooting heavy tss loads. POI is not always the same as POA. I shoot a red dot and love it, but I would say having some sort of sight adjustment will probably be necessary

I know this will be brought up so lets just go ahead and address it. A 1-3/8 oz load of 9's has 502 pellets and the same killing power as #4 lead. Your typical #5 3.5" lead shot turkey load has around 349 pellets and less killing power


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Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7682332
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My Remington 28 gauge is a fixed full choke and is actually choked extremely tight. With a 7/8 ounce load of 6's it absolutely ROLLS turkeys at 40 yards.


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: We-Sa] #7682335
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Not knocking it as the numbers don't lie, however I would say that this and all of the other pattern tightening effort leads to two potential issues.

Clean misses or edge hits when a bird ends up in your lap or the inevitable temptation to take the iffy long shot.
The latter more likely with so many sitting on greenfields rather than getting in the woods and hunting.


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I think the Stoeger chokes are the Browning Invector pattern.

Holy cow coondagger2, that’s an impressive pattern. Isn’t 0.520 pretty close to cylinder bore on a 28 gauge?

Are the 1 3/8 oz loads standard pressure loads?

160user; is that #6 load with lead shot?


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Good lookin pattern!


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Originally Posted by We-Sa
I think the Stoeger chokes are the Browning Invector pattern.

Holy cow coondagger2, that’s an impressive pattern. Isn’t 0.520 pretty close to cylinder bore on a 28 gauge?

Are the 1 3/8 oz loads standard pressure loads?

160user; is that #6 load with lead shot?

No sir, cylinder bore is .550. The 520 is a pretty tight choke

The 1-3/8 oz load runs a little over 10k psi. SAAMI allowable pressure for 2-3/4" 28 gauge is 12,500 psi


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Originally Posted by warrior
Not knocking it as the numbers don't lie, however I would say that this and all of the other pattern tightening effort leads to two potential issues.

Clean misses or edge hits when a bird ends up in your lap or the inevitable temptation to take the iffy long shot.
The latter more likely with so many sitting on greenfields rather than getting in the woods and hunting.



And these newfangled recurve bows will encourage folks to.take long, crippling shots.
Only longbows are REAL archery!
Then it was compound bows
Then crossbows...

See how that works?

Decades ago guy I knows wife wouldn't allow him to use a scope deer hunting, said it wasn't sporting.
Every other year, he'd call me to.help.him look for a deer he hit but couldn't find.

Re: 28 Gauge and TSS Almost Ready [Re: DaveP] #7682356
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Originally Posted by warrior
Not knocking it as the numbers don't lie, however I would say that this and all of the other pattern tightening effort leads to two potential issues.

Clean misses or edge hits when a bird ends up in your lap or the inevitable temptation to take the iffy long shot.
The latter more likely with so many sitting on greenfields rather than getting in the woods and hunting.



And these newfangled recurve bows will encourage folks to.take long, crippling shots.
Only longbows are REAL archery!
Then it was compound bows
Then crossbows...

See how that works?

Decades ago guy I knows wife wouldn't allow him to use a scope deer hunting, said it wasn't sporting.
Every other year, he'd call me to.help.him look for a deer he hit but couldn't find.


Whoa now, you ascribe a motive I do not have.

I have no issue with technology and understanding shot ballistics. And most practitioners on the cutting edge are skilled and responsible actors.

If I have an issue it's the inevitable lazy actor that just assumes the latest greatest whizbang ammo compensates for lack of practice.


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Are these rounds/tight chokes for head shots? I've never witnessed such tight patterns in a shotgun and I shoot some tight chokes for geese.

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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Are these rounds/tight chokes for head shots? I've never witnessed such tight patterns in a shotgun and I shoot some tight chokes for geese.


Yes, on turkey you're seeking to put pellets in the brain or neck vertebrae for full incapacitation. Aim for where the feathers meet the bare skin to center the pattern. Rookie mistake to aim for the head as half the pattern passes over.


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Originally Posted by warrior


Whoa now, you ascribe a motive I do not have.

I have no issue with technology and understanding shot ballistics. And most practitioners on the cutting edge are skilled and responsible actors.

If I have an issue it's the inevitable lazy actor that just assumes the latest greatest whizbang ammo compensates for lack of practice.




LOL, sorry, was trying to get in before the usual.suspects!

FWIW, I usually use a factory full choke, on sale 3" #5, and only shoot birds inside of 30 yds.

But I AM fooling with TSS #9 in ML shotguns.

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FWIW, I shot the factory full choke in my beretta 28 gauge this year and killed two turkeys. TSS is super dense so it naturally patterns tighter. The aftermarket chokes aren't entirely necessary, they just provide a little more pattern density


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TSS and new wad technology has tossed out the old choke rules for lead.


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Originally Posted by DaveP
Originally Posted by warrior


Whoa now, you ascribe a motive I do not have.

I have no issue with technology and understanding shot ballistics. And most practitioners on the cutting edge are skilled and responsible actors.

If I have an issue it's the inevitable lazy actor that just assumes the latest greatest whizbang ammo compensates for lack of practice.




LOL, sorry, was trying to get in before the usual.suspects!

FWIW, I usually use a factory full choke, on sale 3" #5, and only shoot birds inside of 30 yds.

But I AM fooling with TSS #9 in ML shotguns.


But there was a hint of my own throwback old school preferences though, lol. I'm more of a traditionalist of get in the woods as close as you dare, sit down yelp three times and shut up. And if you ain't called it you ain't earned it.


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You all must have good teeth to eat them tiny little pellets riddled throughout the meat on them turkeys. grin

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
You all must have good teeth to eat them tiny little pellets riddled throughout the meat on them turkeys. grin

I don't eat the head, so I don't find any pellets whistle

In all seriousness, I've eaten 15 or 20 tss shot turkeys now and can count the number of pellets I have found on one hand


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See my above post. No pellets in the meat. Maybe some in the neck.


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Originally Posted by warrior
See my above post. No pellets in the meat. Maybe some in the neck.

I can see how many in that 10" circle above, I can also see how many are below it. wink

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by warrior
See my above post. No pellets in the meat. Maybe some in the neck.

I can see how many in that 10" circle above, I can also see how many are below it. wink



Just need to hunt XL necked turkeys!!!

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