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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: Marty] #7698469
10/23/22 08:34 AM
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Any negative behavior stops he forward advancement so I avoid anger, envy, or any type of vengeance. That being said, teaching someone a lesson can benefit not only the guy who needed to learn it as well as giving the teacher a sense of accomplishment! cool


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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: k snow] #7698510
10/23/22 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by k snow
Is there really a difference between justice and vengeance? Is it only a matter of perspective? Or who carries it out?

If it was legal to kill the murderer of your children yourself, would that be justice or vengeance? Is it different if the State kills the murderer?

I believe it's a Crime to Stop the parents

We've become too "civilized"


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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: 330-Trapper] #7698531
10/23/22 10:06 AM
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I remember an Amish school being shot up a number of years ago. I'm sure they prayed for their children, they also prayed for the killer and forgave him.

Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: danny clifton] #7698812
10/23/22 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Mark, pretty cool how the translation/interpretations change constantly. Else the golden egg laying goose would get ate.


Huh? Hebrew and Koine Greek changing?
And a recipe for goose patte and scrambled eggs has nothing to do with Scripture revealed from God.


Blessings,
Mark

Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: 330-Trapper] #7698900
10/23/22 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by k snow
Is there really a difference between justice and vengeance? Is it only a matter of perspective? Or who carries it out?

If it was legal to kill the murderer of your children yourself, would that be justice or vengeance? Is it different if the State kills the murderer?

I believe it's a Crime to Stop the parents

We've become too "civilized"

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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: Marty] #7698901
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Vengeance serves as a deterrent in an unjust world


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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: AntiGov] #7698907
10/23/22 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Vengeance serves as a deterrent in an unjust world


Much like concealed carry, the presence of a swift, permanent punishment is a great deterrent.

Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: k snow] #7698917
10/23/22 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by AntiGov
Vengeance serves as a deterrent in an unjust world


Much like concealed carry, the presence of a swift, permanent punishment is a great deterrent.

Amen


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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: AntiGov] #7699284
10/24/22 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Vengeance serves as a deterrent in an unjust world


If you know history, you understand that it's just the opposite.
The Hatfields and McCoys are just one example of millions of examples of people exacting justice on other people.

The question isn't "is it deserved" because this world is FILLED with examples where it SURE may be according to the person judging the situation.
The question is who measures out the justice we seek. And why?
The "why" would be called in English, what the Bible refers to "Retribution."
Retribution is written x4 in Scripture.

In the Old Covenant (Testament) in the Law given to Moses;
Deuteronomy 32:35; Vengeance is Mine, and retribution, In due time their foot will slip; For the day of their calamity is near, And the impending things are hastening upon them."

Hosea (in 750 BC) wrote about it as he warned the 10 Northern tribes of Israel.

And then the Apostle Paul, who God called to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles, wrote about it twice. Once to the Thessalonians and most notably to the citizens in the biggest city of that time: Rome.
In Romans 11:9, Paul adds to king David's writings about snares and traps...

"And David says, " (What David wrote) Let their table become a snare and a trap, (what Paul added) and a stumbling block and a retribution to the them."

Stumbling block and retribution to what? Eternal salvation.

The Romans were a culture built on warrior status. They didn't have a legal system based on Judeo-Christian principles (right and wrong) as we do, but rather upon "Shame and Honor."
You wanna talk about vengeance... the Romans were you're kinda folks. They toasted their wine goblets to the success of it!
And God's Apostle says to them, the people of this world will set their own tables and in that will come their traps and snares.

Whose checking the trapline all day everyday?
Well it's not Santa Claus knowing if you're naughty or nice.

It's the God who by grace calls us, redeems us, and seals sinners like us everyday.
Prophets like Moses 3500 years ago. Premier killers of Christians like Paul 2000 years ago. Or average people still today.

The only one yelling for vengeance is the enemy. He's always been the father of all lies.
He's lying still.

But for grace, I'd be due an immeasurable amount of vengeance and retribution.... for starters.

Blessings,
Mark



Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: AntiGov] #7699355
10/24/22 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Vengeance serves as a deterrent in an unjust world


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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: Marty] #7699357
10/24/22 10:26 AM
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If the Hatfield's and McCoy's are the epitome for vengeance, then Jim baker and jimmy Swaggert must be the epitome for preachers?


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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: Marty] #7699360
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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: Marty] #7699374
10/24/22 10:43 AM
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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: Marty] #7699409
10/24/22 11:35 AM
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What we think the results will be based on our thinking is not always what the outcome will be. I've walked both sides of the fence, one way will control u , one way will liberate u. I know a lot of people that live with bitterness and blame their unhappiness on others. Doesn't take much study in psychology or history to see were vengeance leads the majority of time. And a lot of people can't see it in their own lives.

Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: Marty] #7699413
10/24/22 11:39 AM
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I believe that there is a difference between being angry and seeking justice thru your own actions and being unhappy. The system today is very, very skewed and many things go unpunished/overlooked.


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Re: is vengeance overrated? [Re: Marty] #7699419
10/24/22 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Marty
I believe that there is a difference between being angry and seeking justice thru your own actions and being unhappy. The system today is very, very skewed and many things go unpunished/overlooked.

I would agree but there is danger in vigilantly justice and though some may be able judge unbiasly and free from emotion most can't despite them thinking they can. Keep in mind for the most part even criminals can justify there crime in their own minds. Vengeance is a slippery slope that generally doesn't work out like we think it will.

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