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Re: lead ammo eagle poisoning [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7704964
10/30/22 11:03 PM
10/30/22 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I wonder how much more lead is lost fishing than rifle hunting. It seems much more likely that Eagles especially would be eating fish with lead rather than gut piles. When everyone is out hiking/hunting in the fall they are likely finding more Poisioned Raptors


You should see the videos of the guy who scuba dives in rivers here in Wisconsin to recover lures and stuff. He pulls out pounds of lead sinkers and jigs every time. I'd bet lead in the water outweighs lead in gut piles 100 to 1.

Re: lead ammo eagle poisoning [Re: MattLA] #7704980
10/30/22 11:11 PM
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The reason there are more eagles dying of lead poisoning is that there are far more eagles now. There are more eagles dying of a lot of things because there are more eagles. Eagles don't live forever.

Re: lead ammo eagle poisoning [Re: tlguy] #7704991
10/30/22 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tlguy
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I wonder how much more lead is lost fishing than rifle hunting. It seems much more likely that Eagles especially would be eating fish with lead rather than gut piles. When everyone is out hiking/hunting in the fall they are likely finding more Poisioned Raptors


You should see the videos of the guy who scuba dives in rivers here in Wisconsin to recover lures and stuff. He pulls out pounds of lead sinkers and jigs every time. I'd bet lead in the water outweighs lead in gut piles 100 to 1.


I would be surprised if there were 100 pounds in deer gut piles in the entire state

175,667 deer were harvested in the 9 day gun deer season 2021 if the average weight of a rifle bullet is 140gr and most bullets retain >90% of their mass that would leave <14gr of lead in a deer that would be a little high because the bullet could just as well have shed it's jacket as the lost weigh but just for rough figuring.

since I need a number to run this 14gr

so 14gr X 175,667 deer would be
divided by 7000gr in a pound = 351 pounds if lead state wide if a full 10% of very bullet remained in gut pile.

the reality is however you have all the neck shot deer that don't count , all the people already using a lead free bullet . your handgun hunters that send the bullet without enough velocity to fragment and a huge number of deer that don't get gut shot , followed up by all the people who go grab the tractor and haul the deer back and gut and skin it and put bury all the guts

then what about all the gut piles that the raccoons , coyote , wolves and fox eat before any eagles would even have a chance.

If the guy you know pulls out pounds of lead in a single dive I would guess it is more like 10,000 to 1

which would of course fit , it is never about going after the largest possible source , it is about going after the source that fits your agenda.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: lead ammo eagle poisoning [Re: MattLA] #7705151
10/31/22 10:01 AM
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Someone asked why the big hullabaloo…..walleye101 hit it on the head…..emotion. I agree with A LOT of what has been said here and referenced. I still think it’s a pick your battle situation and don’t think fighting “this” is worth much energy because the emotion of 80+ percent of the population is going to very easily trump the sense of the other 20 percent. And using copper ammo for harvesting big game is a very very very easy accommodation and adjustment to make in the grand scheme. (Assuming manufacturers up broad caliber production). Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: lead ammo eagle poisoning [Re: MattLA] #7705194
10/31/22 11:14 AM
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What happens when the only ammo is a buck a round, no lead involved. Practicing will be done, kids plinking will be over. Why do we as gun owners have to give in to a lie, this is a solution looking for a problem.

Re: lead ammo eagle poisoning [Re: MattLA] #7705239
10/31/22 12:15 PM
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Funny, 20 years ago I rarely if ever saw Bald Eagles in my area . Today I see them almost daily, must be the lead is helping increase their population ? Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if they received some lead direct from a firearm.

Re: lead ammo eagle poisoning [Re: MattLA] #7705243
10/31/22 12:26 PM
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It's ok if the liberals wind mills and solar panels kill some, but by God we're suppose to give up our ways to save a couple.

I'm at the stand my ground point, don't give an inch to the nuts.


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