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Re: Broadhead help [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7706634
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
I'm a "one set of blades per deer" bowhunter. Doesn't matter how sharp they seem to be after passing thru a deer...I use them once. I check the ferrule to make sure it's wobble-free, put new blades on...and back in quiver it goes.

I could care less if a broadhead is damaged by impact with bone, rocks, or the dirt during the kill shot as long as it performs its job on the deer.

I used Muzzy 90 gr 4 blade fixed for 3 decades...killed many deer and hogs with them...1" cut. Had several blood trails that were tough to follow.

I tried Wasp Jak-Hammers..1.75" cut mechanical...about 5 or 6 years ago. Goodness what a blood trail they leave....everytime. I'll never go back to a fixed blade.

Dont need a trail when they fall within 40 yards :P. With the xbow, you can be a bit more aggressive in with shot selection.

Re: Broadhead help [Re: bucksnbears] #7706678
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Originally Posted by bass10
I just ordered 12 of them they are very affordable and have a good entrance that will kill even if they don’t pop open, give them a look.

Wouldn't it just be better to shoot a head that doesn't have "to open" confused


You need to hold a blood runner and see it before commenting, I don't see how it wouldn't open up. My sons friend shot a 180" with a cheap Walmart mechanical that didn't open, went 80 yards. I have never
had a rage not engage? End of day, hit em right and they will die.


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Re: Broadhead help [Re: GRP] #7706683
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If your broadheads do not shoot like field points then your bow is not tuned properly. Take it to a shop and have it tuned.


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Re: Broadhead help [Re: GRP] #7706684
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I know from experience the fixed are harder to tune, after tuning each one you have to sharpen. A lot of guys don't know how to sharpen and/or won't put in the time. Rage fly like field
points and have practice heads to use. I'd have to think Rage is one of the better selling heads today and for good reason. I shot Bear for probably my first ten years before lots of options
came about. Great head, easy to tune and easy to sharpen, also very lethal just not the glamour or marketing of todays heads. Get proficient with what you believe in, go for it and it'll work.


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Re: Broadhead help [Re: jbyrd63] #7706687
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
RAGE hands down no comparison !!!!!!!


Every once in awhile the stars and moon align and I totally agree with JByrd.


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Re: Broadhead help [Re: bass10] #7706694
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Originally Posted by bass10
I know from experience the fixed are harder to tune, after tuning each one you have to sharpen. A lot of guys don't know how to sharpen and/or won't put in the time. Rage fly like field
points and have practice heads to use. I'd have to think Rage is one of the better selling heads today and for good reason. I shot Bear for probably my first ten years before lots of options
came about. Great head, easy to tune and easy to sharpen, also very lethal just not the glamour or marketing of todays heads. Get proficient with what you believe in, go for it and it'll work.

Are you talking about out of a bow or crossbow as the OP is using a crossbow.

Re: Broadhead help [Re: GRP] #7706700
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Can anyone explain why a target point hits dead-on, but a broadhead doesn’t? Is the bow able to shoot the field point accurately while being out of tune, even though the field point and broadhead weigh the same?

I had this problem. I shot Rage and still had issues. Every broadhead shot low, some worse than others, except one, the KIllertechs. I shot the same bolt for every shot.

I’m completely new to the Xbow world. Don’t have a favorite. Just wanted something that worked. I’d still like to understand what is going on and why.

If a bow is out of tune, how does it shoot field points accurately time after time, but not a broadhead? Just don’t get how the “out of tune” theory works.


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Re: Broadhead help [Re: GRP] #7706712
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A properly tuned bow will shoot both field points and broadheads accurately. When a bow is out of tune a broadhead will catch more air drag and magnify the problem.

Re: Broadhead help [Re: GRP] #7706714
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watching this thread.

I'm in the exact same boat...

Re: Broadhead help [Re: GRP] #7706717
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Many videos on YouTube on how to tune your bow

Re: Broadhead help [Re: GRP] #7706718
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Need to be a bit more precise getting fixed broadheads lined up.

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Take your bow to an archery shop with qualified archery techs, they will get your bow in tune. We are lucky to have one within short driving range and he is good. Yeah, they’ll try and get you to purchase the latest and greatest, but also have a soft spot for those that won’t give up on what works. I got new a new string and cables last year and it was like shooting a brand new bow. We got it sighted in out to 30yds before I left his shop.

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With field points the fletching's will correct some problems. Putting broadheads on is putting fletching's on the front. Shoot bare shaft and see what happens then make the corrections. Not all corrections are made to the bow, some to the arrow.


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Re: Broadhead help [Re: bass10] #7706732
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Originally Posted by bass10
Originally Posted by jbyrd63
RAGE hands down no comparison !!!!!!!


Every once in awhile the stars and moon align and I totally agree with JByrd.



Untill you have that one time thay do not preform. Untill then thay are the best thing ever.
Plus

I'm more economical when hunting. The mechanicals are flimsy rage especially and they are expensive When you get down to it. $ 20 plus for arrow 39 for tag 100+ for gas for every 2 days If you drive an hour each way. Hours spent hunting. It's much cheaper per lb to buy a cow.

Turkey tags are $24 or were they probably went up to last year with every other license. I can buy a turkey cheaper at the store and it will taste better.
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The Hassel of finding a place to hunt let alone a good one. I only hunt to take the kids once thay are gone I probably will be priced out of it. I will put up some fence and buy some calfs and a walk in cooler.


Edit: just checked turkey tags went up to $32.

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Re: Broadhead help [Re: SNIPERBBB] #7706748
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Originally Posted by bass10
I know from experience the fixed are harder to tune, after tuning each one you have to sharpen. A lot of guys don't know how to sharpen and/or won't put in the time. Rage fly like field
points and have practice heads to use. I'd have to think Rage is one of the better selling heads today and for good reason. I shot Bear for probably my first ten years before lots of options
came about. Great head, easy to tune and easy to sharpen, also very lethal just not the glamour or marketing of todays heads. Get proficient with what you believe in, go for it and it'll work.

Are you talking about out of a bow or crossbow as the OP is using a crossbow.

You're right a bow, there may be a difference?


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Untill you have that one time thay do not preform. Untill then thay are the best thing ever.
Plus

I'm more economical when hunting. The mechanicals are flimsy rage especially and they are expensive When you get down to it. $ 20 plus for arrow 39 for tag 100+ for gas for every 2 days If you drive an hour each way. Hours spent hunting. It's much cheaper per lb to buy a cow.

Turkey tags are $24 or were they probably went up to last year with every other license. I can buy a turkey cheaper at the store and it will taste better.
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The Hassel of finding a place to hunt let alone a good one. I only hunt to take the kids once thay are gone I probably will be priced out of it. I will put up some fence and buy some calfs and a walk in cooler.


Why sure I just spent $1600 on a new shotgun for my annual first Iowa pheasant trip of the two I make. Pheasant meat should cost me about $300 a pound when I'm done. How many guys spend $900 getting ready to trap and get a $400 fur check.
Its for the love of the game. BTW shoot them thru the lungs and they will perform 100% of the time, marginal shots maybe not, If you're trying to crush through bone maybe not the head for you?

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Re: Broadhead help [Re: bass10] #7706760
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Originally Posted by bass10

You're right a bow, there may be a difference?

Only thing you have to worry about is blade/fletch alignment and weight of heads

Re: Broadhead help [Re: SNIPERBBB] #7706765
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Originally Posted by bass10

You're right a bow, there may be a difference?

Only thing you have to worry about is blade/fletch alignment and weight of heads


Thats kinda what I meant most times you have to heat up the insert glue and twist the head to get it lined up right with fletching. Shoot to make sure its true, resharpen. Theres a process involved.


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Bass 10 I guess you missed my post above about the one deer I shot with a rage. 15 yards slipped between the ribs only one blade nicked one on the way out. Top of heart bottom of lung hit.

Deer went 50 yards stoped and stood for over a minute looking back before she dropped and started kicking. There was only a few drops of blood by the shot and an area about the size of a coffee cup of drops where she stood for that minute nothing in-between and I looked hard in disbelief
Had she ran for that time I would never have found her. Luckily she stopped within sight to look back.
That 3 blades rage the blades were bent enough it wouldn't close back up. I really wanted to like them but preformance spoke for it's self.

Now for some background. I'm 42 and started bow hunting at 13 killed my first two deer with a bow that year sitting in a tree fork with no stand. I tagged out every year for 20 years after that. I started taking the kids and they have been doing the trigger pulling mostly now and I still see the results same as if they were mine. I have tried lots of broad heads from Walmart specials and high-end fixed bladed to most of the mechanicals. Every single one worked very well EXCEPT that RAGE. It's a sample size of one but it was enough I gave the 2 I had left that were new to a guy at work that used them. They are not for me.

Read back through and you will see guys that also used them and they were great for them untill they failed.

I love the grim reapers among other mechanicals. But one bone hit from my son showed how weak they are with only one blade not breaking off before getting inside the chest. Yes the deer only went 60 or so yards, yes it was not a perfect shot but a muzzy that I can get 6 for less than or the same price of most of the mechanicals would have keep all its blades and not broken one.

Not every thing always goes perfect and mechanical things fail. Why take chances?



Edit. I sometimes got better flight with blades the opposite of fetching other Times lined up with them. I alway used a rubber o ring and lining them up is easier than trying to get the insert turned just right.

I also had practice bladed I changed out for new bladed befor going hunting. No sharpening required.

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Not trying to argue cause we're all brothers here. A practice head is great for practice but IMO each head and arrow should be shot and make sure its in tune. Then razor sharpness put back on.
I may be cussing about rage this weekend, who knows but they've done exactly what I needed for 10-15 years. My complaint is like others, cost. My last 2 pack was $40, I just ordered 12 blood
runners for $28. They are what I'd call a fixed mechanical. I'm 57 and its been my passion for 43 years although I have lost a bit of drive and enjoyment. When your knees start crying to you when
sitting in a cold, stand for hours on end you lose a little bit of enjoyment.


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