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Idaho fur bearer population info #7705261
10/31/22 01:19 PM
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Recent transplant to Idaho from Iowa and wanting to target wolf and marten. Does anyone know of some F&W surveys/studies from which I could gather info on areas to scout? I am located in the Silver Valley.

Also wondering if there are any local for buyers/suppliers in the area. I recall seeing someone mention a supplier in St. Maries? Anyone close to Kellog/Wallace?

Thanks!

Mark


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7705317
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Mark -

I'm from a couple hundred miles south of you, but I've trapped wolves all around you, as well as a few other critters (muskrats, beaver, coyotes) on the Coeur d'Alene River, the St. Joe (including the north fork), the Clearwater, and even there in the upper Silver Valley. Best advice I can give you is simply to get out and do some serious scouting. Get ahold of InterMountain Fur Harvesters and become a member, there's lots of good folks in that organization.

Jack


Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7705329
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I've never trapped marten in Idaho, but close to it. You are going to have to get out on the snow at high elevation and look for tracks. Then set on tracks, the marten will be back by. Marten are generally pretty specific about the habitat they live in. Once you are able to recognize it you will find it pretty easy to then look at Google earth or other resources and figure out where to find marten.
Learn your different conifer tree species; generally speaking if you are still in an area of ponderosa pine you are either too low in elevation or in an area that is too dry. This is just an example of stuff you need to learn. Get out there, a snowmachine is nearly essential for marten trapping.


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: Gulo] #7705337
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Thanks for the info. Gonna scout the area South of me between I90 and Avery and North towards Eagle/Murray/Pritchard.

I will get In touch with IFA. Thank you!


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7705340
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Thanks for the tips. Planning on running line with my Skidoo after we get enough snow.


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7705357
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I second Gulo's suggestion of joining IFH. Bernie and crew will get you squared away. Also, please consider Idaho Trappers Association while you're at it. We have a lot of other events - fur sales, banquet, convention, demos, etc - that are coordinated with IFH and other orgs. ITA also provides a lot of legal defense for trappers as well. Good resources on the ITA website.

Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7705602
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You might find a little bit of lure or traps at a local sporting goods store but if you want quantity or specific items you will probably have to order it. I am in Priest River and order everything. Gary Schroeder st Moscow Hide and Fur may carry some stuff. I am a member of Intermountain Fur Harvestersand we would love to see you at our monthly meetings.I think we have an advanced trappers class and a members meeting in the Silver Valley the second weekend of November. If you are interested contact our president Bernie Nelson.


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7705651
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If you scroll down on the main menu to chats, We have a Idaho chat. Welcome to the group. You should look at joining ITA and Intermountain Fur Harvesters and Foundation For Wildlife Management, They have a wolf program that could net you 1k to 2500 depending on where you connect with a wolf.


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #7705683
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Thanks for the info. Plan to order some lure and bait from Backwater Baits back in Iowa. Known Bruce Rhodes for years. Was hoping to find a local place to buy traps/supplies.

Interested to I know more about the advanced trapper class. NOT HAPPY that I have to waste an entire Saturday at Trapper Ed course to get my certificate- seems ridiculous that someone that’s has been trapping for 40 years should be required to attend a class targeted to young folks/beginners.

I am, however, looking forward to the Wolf Trapping class. Hope to gain a lot of useful info.
Thanks again.

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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7705868
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"I am, however, looking forward to the Wolf Trapping class. Hope to gain a lot of useful info.
Thanks again"

Good luck with that. I attended one years ago when they first opened wolf trapping in Idaho, wasn't lucky enough to get one with Jack teaching it (everyone I've talked to who went to one of his spoke very highly of them) but did get one with a young guy who had trapped several wolves for Fish and Game, he at least gave some good info on what worked for him and was helpful. Unfortunately he had only trapped wolves in the summertime (depredation and to collar them for research) and at that time our season didn't open until November 15th, so he didn't know and wasn't helpful on dealing with freeze/thaw and snow trapping. He was good with the majority of the class though who had never set a trap for anything before.
I've attended a couple local ones in the last few years however (one with my wife, another with a 12 year old boy) both the wolf and the general trapping class (I was grandfathered in so I never had to take the general trapping class) The guy who has taught every local class I have been to came from back east and was I believe a fairly decent beaver and coon trapper. He has however never caught a wolf. Which is no detriment to him the way he teaches the classes, because there is absolutely zero how-to info in those classes, you get to sit through eight hours of ethics (which is important, but I believe any adult trapper like yourself already has his ethics firmly established, good or bad, and nothing some guy standing at the front of a classroom has to say is going to change them). If you take the general class, and then the wolf class, it is pretty much the same class except he has a table full of wolf traps sitting in front of him while giving the wolf class.
Not sure who will be teaching the class you are going to (assuming you're going to CDA) there is a guy, I won't mention names, south of Grangeville who has done some of the classes, while I haven't actually attended any of his classes, I've spent time talking to him in person and he is very knowledgeable and helpful, so I'm assuming he would add at least a little of that knowledge to his classes.

Yes I do think Idaho should accept Trappers Ed or license holders from other states. I had held an Idaho trapping license forever so I was grandfathered in, however I have a relative who moved here from another state, and had not bought an Idaho trapping license in the time period required to be grandfathered in (I forget what year that is) and even though he had been a Trapping Education Instructor in another state, he was required to take the Idaho class.

Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7705872
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And I will second Bernie being a good guy and to contact him. I normally get tired of people parroting to join your local associations for whatever interest you have and turn a deaf ear to them. But the ITA is one of the best such associations I have been around or been a member of and they do a lot for Idaho trappers.

Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7706395
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I think Bernie will be teaching the wolf class. He is an extremely knowledgable trapper and has caught wolves.


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7706963
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I have zero issue with Idaho requiring every trapper to take the classes. Covers our butts when the antis start screaming about indiscriminate killers running around catching people's dogs. It's a liability issue and I'm all for it.


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7707037
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Welcome to Idaho Mark. Good luck and be safe this winter. Some of the areas you are looking at trapping is awful big country and can get a fella in deep trouble if not properly prepared. Awesome country!! I would also recommend and consider getting an Garmin Inreach, might come in handy.


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Sneaky-

Apparently you believe antis operate on a rational reasoned logical basis. I am not inclined to have my time wasted trying to assuage the anguish of fools (antis) with the emotional intelligence of children.

The idea that government at any level should be in the business of teaching ethics is laughable.

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Absolutely. Plan to be very cautious with my decision making. Was hoping someone could point me to some population surveys to try to narrow down areas to start scouting. Any way the exploration is half the fun! My goal for the season is to catch a marten, a bobcat and at least find some sign to get an opportunity too set for wolves.

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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7707416
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Originally Posted by mavryk1971
Sneaky-

Apparently you believe antis operate on a rational reasoned logical basis. I am not inclined to have my time wasted trying to assuage the anguish of fools (antis) with the emotional intelligence of children.

The idea that government at any level should be in the business of teaching ethics is laughable.

Perhaps you should reread what I wrote and the reasoning behind it. It covers our butt against one of their favorite arguments. If you can't understand that then perhaps trapping in Idaho isn't for you.


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Lol. Bless your heart.


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7708198
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I agree with Sneaky. The trappers associations were instrumental in having that requirement put in place. Mainly because we were getting so many new trappers(because of wolves) that didn't have a clue as to what was acceptable and what wasn't. Also we were getting trappers from other states that wanted to follow their old regulations and not Idaho's regs. It was the only way to keep them from giving all of us a bad name. It is too bad you aren't happy but I think the associations will stand by their decision.


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Re: Idaho fur bearer population info [Re: mavryk1971] #7708312
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I am going to comment here because what Sneaky said about the reason for taking classes. I disagree with his reasoning although I understand it. Montana trappers assoc. which I am no longer a member for this exact reasoning that Sneaky used. It seems its contagious and I see it as a VERY big problem for the future of trapping.

mavryk1971 I agree with you 100%.You will not find many that do here. Its a sad day when you have to take an 8 hour course on ethics to get a wolf trapping license and a hunter ed course for someone that has trapped as long as you have.

I suggest you slide in undercover in one of these organizations-hard to do now that you voiced your opinion here. Maybe you will find a buddy who will teach you about wolf trapping. If not there is a guy in Montana that gives a ride a long instruction but it will cost you $.

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