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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708601
11/04/22 01:23 PM
11/04/22 01:23 PM
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Mushrooms are in the same general category as marijuana. They will not kill you and have benefits. Regardless of the benefits, our government has no business telling adult Americans what they can and cannot put in their bodies.

We either need to legalize drugs or ban alcohol. As a freedom loving American (who does not drink), I would strongly prefer that we just legalize all drugs. And, end welfare so people cannot sit around stoned all day.

Until then, I will be planning my next trip to Colorado.

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: yukonjeff] #7708611
11/04/22 01:33 PM
11/04/22 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
We should criminalize alcohol since most destruction has come to our society from alcohol.

Govern me harder daddy.


See my post about decision making skills treat all mind altering the same. Do what you want but screw up it's over for you.

If you can get your jollies without doing something dumb then more power to you.

BTW, I feel the same about guns and fast cars. Tactical nukes, cool. One uh uh and you're voted off the planet.

As much total freedom as possible with a absolute equitable degree of responsibility and commensurate penalty.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: AntiGov] #7708613
11/04/22 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Government sponsored rehabilitation/drug treatment centers are HUGE $$$$$$$ makers

They need lots and lots of customers ........repeat customers are a God send


This is also very true, a friend I grew up with got addicted to heroin and was a total mess and waste for about 3 years. He was around 24 when he decide he wanted out and started on methadone. he was in the program for roughly a year and a half and had come down to the lowest dosage. He asked the counselors what next after being on the lowest dose for a few month and he was told ; This is it, you just take that for the rest of your life....

He went home and sweat it out for almost a week, never went back.
He is now a Master electrician and works for the Navy in a power plant, married with two kids two houses and is an avid Hunter and Fisherman. He isn't afraid to talk about it.

Also, by the by... like all electricians he is slower than death on crutches, always parks in the way and makes sure to have all his equipment placed to be inconvenient to everyone around him. I swear they teach it in electrical school.


“A Man who is doing his True Will has the inertia of the Universe to assist him.”

“The key of joy is disobedience.”
Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708616
11/04/22 01:37 PM
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BTW, I still feel the same degree of loathing for the sad sack mental cases the need a chemical in a can, pipe or needle to be happy with themselves.

And, yes, I'm married to a recovering three year sober this month alcoholic.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: Griffin21] #7708620
11/04/22 01:39 PM
11/04/22 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Griffin21
Originally Posted by AntiGov
Government sponsored rehabilitation/drug treatment centers are HUGE $$$$$$$ makers

They need lots and lots of customers ........repeat customers are a God send


This is also very true, a friend I grew up with got addicted to heroin and was a total mess and waste for about 3 years. He was around 24 when he decide he wanted out and started on methadone. he was in the program for roughly a year and a half and had come down to the lowest dosage. He asked the counselors what next after being on the lowest dose for a few month and he was told ; This is it, you just take that for the rest of your life....

He went home and sweat it out for almost a week, never went back.
He is now a Master electrician and works for the Navy in a power plant, married with two kids two houses and is an avid Hunter and Fisherman. He isn't afraid to talk about it.

Also, by the by... like all electricians he is slower than death on crutches, always parks in the way and makes sure to have all his equipment placed to be inconvenient to everyone around him. I swear they teach it in electrical school.


Now that's responsibility! I am so glad your friend found it in himself to step up.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708638
11/04/22 01:59 PM
11/04/22 01:59 PM
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Its called freedom. We should all appreciate it. The government illegalized cannabis for no reason at all. They even created a prejudice against it. Big tobacco didn't want the competition, I think,

Same now with the big pharma they dont want anything prescribed but their toxic chemicals. With cannabis being illegal it could not be studied for medical benefits, so in fact they locked up a drug that saves lives now and doing the same with shrooms.

Big business runs our government policy and laws. Look at the food industry too, if you think they have your best health in mind , think again.

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: bowhunter27295] #7708648
11/04/22 02:03 PM
11/04/22 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295

What about recreational (non medical) use? You know, people who just want the high? No problems, no PTSD, just one who wants to get high for the fun of getting high.


I am 99.9% sure you have never been around anyone who has used mushrooms. If you had, this wouldn't be a concern for you. I've not used any drugs in years, but when I was young, I used mushrooms regularly for several years. And when we did, we would go somewhere safe, like out in the woods, or at someone's house, and stay there until we were done. And that is the way MOST people who use them do it. We weren't running around driving, or being out in public in most cases, or causing anyone any problems. None of us who used them did anything dumb to get money for them... because we could use them, then go to bed and get up at the crack of dawn to go to work with NO hangover, which is more than I can say for alcohol. I never got the slightest bit addicted to them, and how often we used them varied... maybe one a week in summer and once a month in winter.

In my opinion mushrooms are the LEAST troublesome drug... it doesn't make you lazy like weed, nor do you want to do it daily. It's worlds better than alcohol. Yes, if you take high doses you will have hallucinations, but the people who use them know this and plan accordingly... the LAST place they want to be is around a bunch of sober people.


Proudly banned from the NTA.

Bother me tomorrow. Today I'll buy no sorrows.
Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: warrior] #7708652
11/04/22 02:12 PM
11/04/22 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Griffin21
[quote=AntiGov]Government sponsored rehabilitation/drug treatment centers are HUGE $$$$$$$ makers

They need lots and lots of customers ........repeat customers are a God send


This is also very true, a friend I grew up with got addicted to heroin and was a total mess and waste for about 3 years. He was around 24 when he decide he wanted out and started on methadone. he was in the program for roughly a year and a half and had come down to the lowest dosage. He asked the counselors what next after being on the lowest dose for a few month and he was told ; This is it, you just take that for the rest of your life....

He went home and sweat it out for almost a week, never went back.
He is now a Master electrician and works for the Navy in a power plant, married with two kids two houses and is an avid Hunter and Fisherman. He isn't afraid to talk about it.

Also, by the by... like all electricians he is slower than death on crutches, always parks in the way and makes sure to have all his equipment placed to be inconvenient to everyone around him. I swear they teach it in electrical school.


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Now that's responsibility! I am so glad your friend found it in himself to step up.


I have a lot of insight into drug addiction, being raised on the coast of Maine.
The Majority of people here Work in the woods, are lobster fisherman, farm blueberries or work construction. Some people do all of the first three. Arthritis and compressed / herniated discs in the back are very common.
When the Doctors around here started handing out the opiates to these people in the early 90's it was an over night transformation. buying prescription pills on the street was the norm. It wasn't until later in the early 2000's when the pills dried up that people turned to heroin.

Since the legalization of marijuana in Maine we have seen heroin use drop significantly. And now with Kratom people are weening themselves off heroin without going to the clinics.


“A Man who is doing his True Will has the inertia of the Universe to assist him.”

“The key of joy is disobedience.”
Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: yukonjeff] #7708659
11/04/22 02:18 PM
11/04/22 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
Its called freedom. We should all appreciate it. The government illegalized cannabis for no reason at all. They even created a prejudice against it. Big tobacco didn't want the competition, I think,

Same now with the big pharma they dont want anything prescribed but their toxic chemicals. With cannabis being illegal it could not be studied for medical benefits, so in fact they locked up a drug that saves lives now and doing the same with shrooms.

Big business runs our government policy and laws. Look at the food industry too, if you think they have your best health in mind , think again.



THIS


TILL THAT DAY.....
Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708665
11/04/22 02:26 PM
11/04/22 02:26 PM
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One can legally manufacture a form of LSD with morning glory seeds

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708674
11/04/22 02:37 PM
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I would recommend that before anyone setoff into the wonderful world of drugs to self-medicate that you should first see a therapist. Therapy is a wonderful and underrated tool, if nothing else it should help you gain perspective.


“A Man who is doing his True Will has the inertia of the Universe to assist him.”

“The key of joy is disobedience.”
Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: Griffin21] #7708688
11/04/22 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Griffin21
I would recommend that before anyone setoff into the wonderful world of drugs to self-medicate that you should first see a therapist. Therapy is a wonderful and underrated tool, if nothing else it should help you gain perspective.


I'm a child of the 70s, there isn't anything I haven't tried other

than heroin, I craved windowpane as a teenager, smoked everyday,

.mushrooms were great for concert additives but guess what ?

Most of us look back and wonder how we made it, wild and fun times.

Then we grew up

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708692
11/04/22 02:54 PM
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Keep in mind about half the people in the country are stupid. Everybody makes mistakes but it seems only about half have sense enough to stop when they sense something is wrong. 45 yrs ago I did every drug there was except sticking a needle in my arm. I realized what was bad and stopped. Everyone makes their own decisions, just that 50% can't make good decisions.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: Buzzard] #7708700
11/04/22 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzzard
Originally Posted by Griffin21
I would recommend that before anyone setoff into the wonderful world of drugs to self-medicate that you should first see a therapist. Therapy is a wonderful and underrated tool, if nothing else it should help you gain perspective.


I'm a child of the 70s, there isn't anything I haven't tried other

than heroin, I craved windowpane as a teenager, smoked everyday,

.mushrooms were great for concert additives but guess what ?

Most of us look back and wonder how we made it, wild and fun times.

Then we grew up


I was a child of the 80's the fact that I survived is beyond me.
I liked to drink and smoke in my early teen years.
I am thankful there were no camera phones and social media back then.
some of the things we did then would put you in prison now. people weren't so sensitive back then.
The local police would come tell us they knew we were drinking and they were heading back to the station and would be back in a half hour and, we shouldn't be here when they come back by.
looking back I don't know how I lived through the things I have done and the places I have been.

The universe must have plan for me.

I'm still working on growing up.


“A Man who is doing his True Will has the inertia of the Universe to assist him.”

“The key of joy is disobedience.”
Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708708
11/04/22 03:08 PM
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When I realized that I really liked acid was when I knew it wasn't for me.

I like beer, too, really good beer. That's why it is only an occasional treat.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708711
11/04/22 03:11 PM
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I like beer too, but I'm strong enough to hold off until the mail carrier has gone past!


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: Gary Benson] #7708717
11/04/22 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Keep in mind about half the people in the country are stupid. Everybody makes mistakes but it seems only about half have sense enough to stop when they sense something is wrong. 45 yrs ago I did every drug there was except sticking a needle in my arm. I realized what was bad and stopped. Everyone makes their own decisions, just that 50% can't make good decisions.


I snorted coke in the late 70s and early 80s, it wasn't for fun

as the years before, it was to stay focused with my job, college and raising kids,

I slept for maybe 3 hours a day until the weekend, then I slept

for 2 days. Wouldn't condone the experience to anyone but that was a different day.

There is no such thing today, back then you could do half a line

and be good for 24 hours, today with the fentynal, you will be dead in a couple of hours

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708720
11/04/22 03:22 PM
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You guys probably realize that most of us trappers have a particular personality trait that is common to our fraternity.

We are generally more committed to whatever we are involved in. For example; when you go hunting or fishing either of those two activities can be a spontaneous activity, grab the pole or gun and out the door you go, the weather is crappy then stay home.

Trapping require preseason preparation and planning, once the traps are set you are obligated to check them regularly, etc..

It's not at all surprising to me that many trappers did harmful things in their younger years, but were then able to shake-off those bad habits. Our experiences are most likely anecdotal to our demographic group. We are a pretty hard-headed group and can accomplish more than most folks in general. This trait probably helps many throw-off addictions.


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Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: waggler] #7708724
11/04/22 03:25 PM
11/04/22 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by waggler
You guy probably realize that most of us trappers have a particular personality trait that is common to our fraternity.

We are generally more committed to whatever we are involved in. For example; when you go hunting or fishing either of those two activities can be a spontaneous activity, grab the pole or gun and out the door you go, the weather is crappy then stay home.

Trapping require preseason preparation and planning, once the traps are set you are obligated to check them regularly, etc..

It's not at all surprising to me that many trappers did harmful things in their younger years, but were then able to shake-off those bad habits. Our experiences are most likely anecdotal to our demographic group. We are a pretty hard-headed group and can accomplish more than most folks in general. This trait probably help many throw-off addictions.

Amen

Re: psilocybin to be legal [Re: danny clifton] #7708752
11/04/22 03:42 PM
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None for me,,,I HATES them flying monkeys.I don't even like the regular kind of monkeys.


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