Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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After a bit of research it seems this is not an old blanket, 1979 or so maybe, but the label may be very rare as there are misspellings of French words which were subsequently corrected. If anyone can add to this please do.
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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11/05/22 03:29 AM
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A 6 point blanket. Queen size. The 6 lines indicate the price in beaver pelts in the HBC store. No longer accurate pricing, ha! Standard full size is 4 points. This topic should yield days of reading on the webernet.
No, the label is not rare.
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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11/05/22 06:14 AM
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That is a different color than I have seen before.
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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11/05/22 10:33 AM
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Was at a gun show a few weeks ago. On one of the tables was 4 point, similar color and in excellent condition priced at $300. At that price I believe it went back home with them.
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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A 6 point blanket. Queen size. The 6 lines indicate the price in beaver pelts in the HBC store. No longer accurate pricing, ha! Standard full size is 4 points. This topic should yield days of reading on the webernet.
No, the label is not rare.
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Yellowish gold on white satin reading: Hudson’s Bay Point Blanket -- Couverture à marqes (sic) de la Compagnie la Baie d’Hudson -- Logo -- The Seal of Quality -- Le sceau de qualite (sic) -- 100% WOOL / LAINE -- Made in England. Fait (sic) en Angleterre -- CA 00234. This label appears to have been used for only one run of blankets. Apparently the misspelling of the French word “marques” as used on the Big Bilingual A label was what called for this label’s replacement. Subsequently, “marques” was replaced with the word “points” on the Big Bilingual B label. The other typos were caught in later labels, as well. Note the straight stitching used to affix this label. This method of stitching was replaced by zigzag stitching sometime during the period of use of the Big Bilingual A labels.I know little to nothing about these blankets. My statement regarding very rare label was based on this claim that it may have only been used for one "run" -- however big that may be lol.
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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11/05/22 04:57 PM
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Word etymology, spelling, and usage can be fluid.
Considering the age of the company - incorporated by Royal charter in 1670, words were spelled differently in common usage then and now. Some words could have carried on from earlier labeling. Or maybe a local spelling. Possibly even a simple typographical error. Another possibility is that there was not room for the correct spelling in the line of text for the embroidery machine.
The British English language is different from the American English language. Color = color. Check = Cheque. Also, that label is British adding French wording to be bilingual for French speaking people primarily in Canada. So when considering many relevant nationalities - British, French, Québécois, American, Native Indian tribes and their differing individual and combined languages, the blanket and the label being produced by one of the largest and most successful companies in 352 years, the label seems to communicate the concepts very well.
Modern labeling for wokesters, millennials, and fools would likely require instructions and warnings in various languages and symbols.
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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From what I gather the bilingual label is a recent development, 1976 to 1996 (?) the others all being in English only, I believe. Apparently this one, with the misspelled French, was their first crack at it in 1976. It was evidently quickly corrected with the spelling changed from "marqe" to "marque" starting in 1977, which is apparently the correct spelling in French. Some later bilingual versions changed the word from "marque" to "point" (pointe?) which was the point they were trying to make all along, or so it would seem, on what they call the Big Bilingual B label.... Hey! I saw it on the internet so it's gotta be true! https://www.pointblankets.com/pages/pb007.htm Errors and Additions: The Blanket: An Illustrated History of the Hudson’s Bay Point Blanket: Page 66: Second caption should be revised as follows: “(Top) In 1929, Hudson’s Bay Company used the Gold Variant of the Seal A4 label on the first runs of their newly introduced line of pastel coloured point blankets. The same label, but using the more common red embroidery, was used during the late1920s on their standard line of point blankets.” Page 67: First caption should be revised as follows: “(Top) From the early 1940s to the1960s, Hbc issued blankets bearing the 100% Wool Labels. The 100% Wool Type 1 label shown here is probably the most common label found on older blankets, indicating the very high volume of sales of point blankets during the early 1950s. It appears in two sizes: the larger ones from the early 40s and the smaller ones from the late 40s through 1955.” The Collector’s Guide to Point Blankets: Page 9: Horatio W Collier and Sons is listed as one of the Yorkshire suppliers. Mr Derek Collier provides a correction noting that they were actually located on Corn Street in Witney. Page 64: The Stacked label appears to have actually been introduced earlier than noted in the book. The date should be amended to read c.1934 -1939. Pages 72/73: An earlier Big Bilingual label has been identified that precedes the Big Bilingual A illustrated on Page 73. I have temporarily named it “Big Bilingual First Issue”. It appears to have been used for only one run of blankets and is thus very rare. Apparently there were several errors in the French text [see those flagged with “(sic)”] which were corrected in subsequently issued labels. Image and caption to right may be printed and inserted in your copy of the book between pages 72 and 73. Page 73: The dates on the Big Bilingual A label should be corrected to read c.1977 to 1996. Although this contradicts Mr. Finlay's previous information, as noted in the footnote on page 73, I have found too many earlier examples to continue to rely on the previously published dating. BIG BILINGUAL FIRST ISSUE: 4 1/2" X 2 7/8" (117 X 75mm) c.1976 Yellowish gold on white satin reading: Hudson’s Bay Point Blanket -- Couverture à marqes (sic) de la Compagnie la Baie d’Hudson -- Logo -- The Seal of Quality -- Le sceau de qualite (sic) -- 100% WOOL / LAINE -- Made in England. Fait (sic) en Angleterre -- CA 00234. This label appears to have been used for only one run of blankets. Apparently the misspelling of the French word “marques” as used on the Big Bilingual A label was what called for this label’s replacement. Subsequently, “marques” was replaced with the word “points” on the Big Bilingual B label. The other typos were caught in later labels, as well. Note the straight stitching used to affix this label. This method of stitching was replaced by zigzag stitching sometime during the period of use of the Big Bilingual A labels.
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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11/05/22 05:39 PM
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Very modern looking tag
Never seen one like that in color or tag Yes apparently 1976
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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11/05/22 08:30 PM
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Very interesting info and discussion. Apparently that blanket was stored well. I tend to collect wool blankets when it is below about 15° outside.
Coincidentally we have been shopping for a few new wool blankets. The HBC blankets have gotten too expensive. They have likely priced us out of the market. Although I would be less inclined to pay 2/3 the price for an unknown wool blanket. Plus the HBC blankets last for decades.
Considering what I have been paid to catch rogue beavers in my ADC trapping business, the point price is about right.
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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11/05/22 09:56 PM
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I have a huge Hudson Bay Point Blanket, Has a gold label in French. From what I could find, 1928-1934 Any help with this would be great.
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Re: Hudson Bay Blanket ID?
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11/06/22 02:04 AM
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trap dye a picture or 2 might help
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