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Re: To many Bobcats [Re: strike2x] #7714234
11/10/22 07:15 PM
11/10/22 07:15 PM
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Oscoda, Michigan
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I thought you were working. Looks like your having fun, nice seeing you at convention this summer.

Re: To many Bobcats [Re: strike2x] #7714235
11/10/22 07:15 PM
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Nice looking cats!!! My all time best was 8 cats in just under 2 weeks off my buddy’s property. He said even after I finally pulled my traps he seen more tracks out there. Place was infested!

Re: To many Bobcats [Re: T-REV] #7714270
11/10/22 07:35 PM
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MI is geographically set up so that being able to put together seasons based on populations and regions could be more easily done there than many states. Approaching things in that manner may get the door open. Yeah one runs into this whole zone thing and that creates some heartburn but the cats don't stay or go where people think they should go.

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Re: To many Bobcats [Re: MattLA] #7714294
11/10/22 08:06 PM
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gang setting a litter of kitten's dose not equate to a statewide over population of cats. spread those 12 traps out over a township and report back result.

Re: To many Bobcats [Re: strike2x] #7714307
11/10/22 08:26 PM
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We have a bit longer season here but don't start till the middle of December. Have to release cats every year here even try to avoid areas where I know they travel. So it makes trapping tough.

Re: To many Bobcats [Re: MattLA] #7714316
11/10/22 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MattLA
Ok so let me be more direct. Choose a start and end date, the entire trapping season works well. You need to have a worksheet that has this, you can make it yourself. It would help if the MTA more or less "sponsored it" so that when it gets submitted to the Michigan DNR it has the maximum amount of data. This study should also be published independently, regardless of the DNR, because what it does is show the legislature that trappers are being sincere and care enough about the animals to do a population density study in order to obtain the correct harvest numbers. If you guys do this, I will email the steps to force the DNRs hand and raise the harvest numbers or explain why they refuse. In the event of a refusal, then we can talk with the Michigan Legislature Natural Resource Commission.

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Date and Time Bobcat was caught
Location minimum of county, ciy, state.
Trap & Set used to catch(no lures or secret formula or steps)
Species
Gender
Length
Height
Weight
General Color
Observations that would include anything like damage to the bobcat, identifying features, any observed illnessess, oral health, etc.
Action Taken: Harvested, released, collared & released.



That's an interesting project. Wonder what the odds of getting a permit to do so would be?

Re: To many Bobcats [Re: strike2x] #7714317
11/10/22 08:36 PM
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Im just saying, as somebody who has significant experience getting rule changes and preventing rule changes, nobody is going to listen until there is a study done. I will literally make the form for you guys, you will just need to print them out and fill them out, hold them until the end of the season.

At the end of the season, everybody reviews their respective forms they filled out, makes copies and whoever(MTA would be good) combines all the study worksheets puts them in date order. A cover sheet will be made that just says MTA 2022-2023 Bobcat Study, Purpose :To analyze and record bobcat incidental catches in order to guide future management decisions. List every trapper who filled out a worksheet, with contact info. You put it all together, scan a copy to publish it to TMAN and another website, send it to the DNR through email and physical certified, signature delivery.

If you guys do that and the numbers show that there are more bobcats than the DNR thinks, the harvest limit will go up, I assure you. I have no skin in the game other than to help my fellow trapper in the way that I know how. It would behoove of you guys to get 2 or more people who dont agree on things to trap any public land where the houndsmen say there arent bobcats, split the area and start filling out those worksheets as the "incidental" catches happen.

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Re: To many Bobcats [Re: strike2x] #7714326
11/10/22 08:46 PM
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Rodney,Ohio
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The collaring/tagging part is what i was referring to. Id be surprised if there wasn't permitting involved. Especially if not doing it in conjunction with a University or the game department.

Re: To many Bobcats [Re: strike2x] #7714378
11/10/22 09:53 PM
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Well I understand completly. I likely would just go with whatever the cheapest collar is, or you can use hair dye color. Pick a color already on their fur, and do a line or specific mark that you can recognize. The 2020 bobcat survey has lots of interesting math....but it looks like there were right under 2700 bobcat taken by hunters and trappers during 2020.

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