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Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: Leftlane] #7719521
11/16/22 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
That is a great set in pastures because cattle wont step in the hole and mess up your set like they will in a traditional dirt hole or flat set



This

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Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: Leftlane] #7719828
11/17/22 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
That is a great set in pastures because cattle wont step in the hole and mess up your set like they will in a traditional dirt hole or flat set

I'll have to use that in our pastures

I've usually put sets just outside


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Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: Artrapper16] #7719873
11/17/22 10:46 AM
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Dont use salt for antifreeze in a stocked pasture- it is a surefire way to have troubles.

Most of the places I ever trap are an ongoing experiment- how to lure hogs and predators without cows and calves making me swear.


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Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: Artrapper16] #7719876
11/17/22 10:54 AM
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Ok, this may seem like a dumb question lol, but I'm not much of a yote trapper. With sets like this, is it possible a yote might not commit as planned but would from the backside of the set? If so, would putting another set behind the DH be at all productive?


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Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: Artrapper16] #7719993
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The angle of the hole should determine his approach and make it basically impossible to work from the back. I was told if one works your hole from the back you need better backing or more angle forward.


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Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: Catch22] #7720035
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Trappers have used step down sets for fox for awhile now. Canines love that slightly lower spot in front of a hole.
This is a larger scale of it. They will commit


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Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: Artrapper16] #7731343
11/30/22 11:38 PM
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Thanks. I might try it for bobcat next month.

Kinda makes ya wonder if it'd work on fisher

Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: AJE] #7731358
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Originally Posted by AJE
Thanks. I might try it for bobcat next month.

Kinda makes ya wonder if it'd work on fisher

It does. Caught 4 last year but had to release them as it was before our season.


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Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: Artrapper16] #7746093
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I'll probably try one for Bobcat and Fisher this year but I don't think I need to make the hole very deep

Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: G Hose] #7752901
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Originally Posted by G Hose

That step down set does look rather simple.

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Re: Step down dirthole set demo [Re: Artrapper16] #7754741
12/26/22 07:57 AM
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Hi Larry!
100 coyotes in 13 checks = 8 per day is surely possible and is sometimes done. Sometimes. For 8 per day, running 100 traps, you'd of course have a 8% catch ratio and an 8% catch ratio is way above average. 6% will keep you in the more normal range of things in excellent fur territory but we rarely ever hit that in ADC work because ADC work is more sniper fire than shotgunning the herd of coyotes.
If you're in density rich coyote country as parts of Kansas are, 100 in two weeks may be on the light side actually.

I trap a lot. And I trap predator control more every year. And day after day, during 13 checks on a ADC line, the catch will not be robust unless you've got low fence, migrating dogs, little mange, no distemper, mild canine lice, and decent weather. That rarely happens.

As far as Marc Bekoff, I was trained in the era he was but Marc is about a 15 years older than me and is the leading animal activist and most prolific writer on canines in our lifetimes. I've read much of his work over the years, and I always remember has animal advocacy bias when I read his research. His hooey has resonated in our wildlife management field (I'm a biologist) and every time I hear, "If you take out coyotes from an area, they'll just repopulate"..... I know it's Bekoff..... and I tell the person telling me this, "Hooey. It's plain hooey." The research was biased and the researcher is against harvesting.
"Hire me and in a 3 year project, I'll increase your herd production exponentially. Guaranteed. How? Year #1 = Kill coyotes. Year #2 Kill coyotes. Year #3 = Kill coyotes."


Sun Tzu.... Know the enemy, know the terrain, to win the battle.....

Good post!
Blessings,
Mark

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