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New F&W service policy #7717876
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The F&W service in Alaska has a new "Alaska Native relation policy" Here is a paste of the headline in ADN:

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service releases draft of first Alaska Native relations policy aimed at increasing trust. This isn't a link.
I was able to read the article even tho I don't subscribe to ADN. In a nutshell, Alaska Native subsistence needs are not being met. While the article doesn't say it, I think this means we may see access to federal lands based on race. Hopefully I'm wrong but the current federal administration has been very attentive to the "needs" of indigenous people.

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Well, down here, they are suddenly swimming in money, and involved in bailing out our local city assembly on, of all things, a gondola!
I have no doubt, looking at the current administrations recent appointments, that the "Race Card" saw only cuts one way, for the time being.


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Re: New F&W service policy [Re: martentrapper] #7718008
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I find it alarming how the term "subsistence" has morphed into being whatever you need it to be, to do whatever you need it to do !

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What do you mean by that?


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Re: New F&W service policy [Re: martentrapper] #7718400
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It is not just F&W it is DOI/ Deb Haalland, Deb Haaland has been pretty blunt in that she wants to ban all hunting, fishing, and trapping on federal land in the lower 48 and Alaska. As we speak the DOI is attempting to overturn the court ruling that said Alaska has jurisdiction to set fish and game regs on federal land in Alaska. If the DOI is successful the next step will be to ban hunting, fishing, and trapping on federal land in Alaska with the exception of federally qualified subsistence users. The DOI has been working with the tribes in Alaska and the excuse they will be using is " food security ". At this time there is not a race requirement to be a federally qualified subsistence user per ANILCA.

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the DOI is attempting to overturn the court ruling that said Alaska has jurisdiction to set fish and game regs on federal land in Alaska.

Victor- which court ruling is that?


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Re: New F&W service policy [Re: drasselt] #7718724
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I should have worded it better, my apologies.

The State of Alaska filed a petition last week asking the U.S. Supreme Court to review a Ninth Circuit Court decision that upheld a Department of Interior action that oversteps state laws that pertain to the method and means of hunting on federal refuges.

“The Ninth Circuit brushed over the cooperative nature of ANILCA (Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act) and invited the federal management agencies to preempt state law at their will,” the brief states, in reference to the case of In Safari Club International v. Haaland.

Beginning in 2015, the U.S. Department of Interior issued three regulations preventing brown bear baiting, overriding state-authorized hunting on park preserves and national wildlife refuges.

The State of Alaska and Safari Club International sued. After the lawsuit was filed, Congress invalidated the broadest regulation—the one banning brown bear baiting, among other methods of hunting, statewide in all national wildlife refuges in Alaska.

Contrary to Congress’s action, the Department of Interior continues to ban this method of hunting in the Kenai National Wildlife Refuge.

The lawsuit is about Alaska’s traditional authority, which was granted at statehood, to manage the methods and means of hunting throughout Alaska.

The petition asserts that, through ANILCA, “Congress did not divest Alaska of its traditional authority. Congress preserved it.” The Ninth Circuit ruling undermines ANILCA, and gives authority to federal agencies to override state law and ignore the will of Alaskans.

“Congress did not intend for federal agencies to have unlimited authority over how we access our wildlife,” said Gov. Mike Dunleavy. “We will continue to fight to ensure that Alaskans manage how we use our own resources.”

“Soon after statehood, Alaska implemented a comprehensive management program to ensure we could responsibly manage our resources based on sustained yield principles in a manner that incorporates public interests. Today, the federal government is trying to circumvent our hard-fought statehood rights to manage our resources and replace it with theirs, including a new claim that they have a property right to our fish and game resources. This is federal overreach, unchecked by the Ninth Circuit Court,” said Alaska Department of Fish and Game Commissioner Doug Vincent-Lang.

“We have State biologists managing wildlife populations at all times,” said Alaska Attorney General Treg Taylor. “We manage our wildlife resources responsibly to guarantee future Alaskans can enjoy harvests as well. These Federal regulations wrongfully obstruct Alaska’s right to do so.”

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Re: New F&W service policy [Re: martentrapper] #7718749
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OK yes thanks Victor I know exactly what you are referring to. Trump tried to get things straightened out on the Kenai with the Kenai Rule and it was looking like a go and then the deep state shot it down. The Alaska Wildlife Alliance was right in there with the feds working against Alaska which is no surprise they have Kneelan Taylor and retired Kenai Refuge bureaucrats on their board leading the way. Sorry and sad Lisa Murkowi voted for Haaland who will further these power grabs, I guess that what she means when she says she fights for Alaska?!



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you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
Re: New F&W service policy [Re: martentrapper] #7719645
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Food security is the old term. New buzz word is food SOVEREIGNTY! Wonder who will have food sovereignty and who won't?

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Is Brown bear baiting continually reducing brown bear populations in Game management Units. If so, isn't this a violation of the sustained yield principle that the State is supposed to be following?


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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Food security is the old term. New buzz word is food SOVEREIGNTY! Wonder who will have food sovereignty and who won't?


Haven't heard that one.


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Re: New F&W service policy [Re: Dirt] #7719997
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Is Brown bear baiting continually reducing brown bear populations in Game management Units. If so, isn't this a violation of the sustained yield principle that the State is supposed to be following?

First, reducing brown bear populations does not always mean the harvest is not sustainable. General consensus is the department under estimates the number of bears in any given unit. Most all brown bears have to be sealed, so we do have data that could indicate if brown bears are being over harvested and then adjustment could be made to lower the harvest, but i have not seen a brown bear baiting opportunity rescinded yet. So to answer your question. i don't know where taking brown bear over bait is not sustainable. Is there a unit that you think this might be happening?


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Originally Posted by Dirt
Is Brown bear baiting continually reducing brown bear populations in Game management Units. If so, isn't this a violation of the sustained yield principle that the State is supposed to be following?


Units 7 and 15, Kenai Peninsula, brown bear are managed by adult sow mortality quota of, I think, 16. Once the quota is reached, hunting is closed. Any recorded mortality of breeding age female counts: roadkill, DLP, hunter take are probably the big ones. Obviously there is other mortality that is not accounted for; accident, predation by wolves or boar bears, etc so I believe the quota is on the conservative side to allow for some of the unknown. I don't know about other units. The population estimate was derived by hair snag and DNA analysis to identify individual bears then extrapolated. The USFWS was the lead agency for that project.


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Originally Posted by isnarewolves
Originally Posted by Dirt
Is Brown bear baiting continually reducing brown bear populations in Game management Units. If so, isn't this a violation of the sustained yield principle that the State is supposed to be following?

First, reducing brown bear populations does not always mean the harvest is not sustainable. General consensus is the department under estimates the number of bears in any given unit. Most all brown bears have to be sealed, so we do have data that could indicate if brown bears are being over harvested and then adjustment could be made to lower the harvest, but i have not seen a brown bear baiting opportunity rescinded yet. So to answer your question. i don't know where taking brown bear over bait is not sustainable. Is there a unit that you think this might be happening?


Yes


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Well, what is it?


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I will probably be presenting the data when we are in cycle. Then you can make your decision.


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Thanks Dirt. Have a great day!


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Originally Posted by martentrapper
The F&W service in Alaska has a new "Alaska Native relation policy" Here is a paste of the headline in ADN:

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service releases draft of first Alaska Native relations policy aimed at increasing trust. This isn't a link.
I was able to read the article even tho I don't subscribe to ADN. In a nutshell, Alaska Native subsistence needs are not being met. While the article doesn't say it, I think this means we may see access to federal lands based on race. Hopefully I'm wrong but the current federal administration has been very attentive to the "needs" of indigenous people.



Certainly sounds like racism to me.

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